Hairdresser Is Sued For Refusing A Job To Woman In Headscarf

[kujo]

It seems like the owner of this shop should register her hair dressers as "models who cut hair" because, that way, she can make these demands and stuff. Otherwise, she leaves herself open to getting sued like this.

[kujo]

Sometimes Madame V's reviews on Islam scare me. Her radicalism somewhat reminds me of the hatred and irrationality spewed out by al-Qaeda or Hamas.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1589991' date='Jul 3 2008, 08:54 AM']How dare you ascribe motives to people whom you don't even know, like this hairdresser?

You may never have explicitly said, "I don't like Muslims." But your posts have made that quite clear.[/quote]

You're still lying. Still putting words in my mouth. And fact that you're doing it in a public forum--that makes it slander.

"The truth is that the biggest enemy of Islam is the Muslims themselves, because they have relinquished all decency in dealing with others, as well as the courage to oppose oppression" ... [url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021615.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021615.php[/url]

Not that I expect you to have one iota of interest in the facts, but there it is.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1589994' date='Jul 3 2008, 08:56 AM']Maybe I am thick. But I would rather be thick than hate anybody.[/quote]


And your lies are getting worse. Now you've gone from falsely accusing me of not liking Muslims to falsely accusing me of hating them.

And because you lie and slander me in this forum I'm putting you on ignore effective now.

[EstoVir_TheWay_4]

I understand that kujo is out of line, but you do seem to go out of your way to prove that Muslims cause trouble.

Do you have something against them?

[StColette]

I think that the owner of the salon is justified in not hiring this person. Part of the requirement of the job is to displayed different hairstyles, this woman is not able to do that because of her religious beliefs. She doesn't meet the requirements of the position. I mean I can't be a Radio City Music Hall Rockette because I don't meet the requirements. I also could not apply for a job as a doctor because I don't meet the requirements for that position. This lady was not hired because she could not meet the requirements of the position, there's nothing wrong for her not being hired because of that.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='StColette' post='1590093' date='Jul 3 2008, 05:22 PM']I think that the owner of the salon is justified in not hiring this person. Part of the requirement of the job is to displayed different hairstyles, this woman is not able to do that because of her religious beliefs. She doesn't meet the requirements of the position. I mean I can't be a Radio City Music Hall Rockette because I don't meet the requirements. I also could not apply for a job as a doctor because I don't meet the requirements for that position. This lady was not hired because she could not meet the requirements of the position, there's nothing wrong for her not being hired because of that.[/quote]
Well said.

[Starets]

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Speaking of getting hot, please do not click on this link. My antivirus program, invisus, detected a couple viruses.

[puellapaschalis]

I think there's something to be said for the Muslim lady in question. Having your hair covered doesn't physically prevent you cutting someone else's hair (so long as it's kept well in place): for that you need your eyes and free movement of your arms and legs. It's not comparable to the lady who wanted to keep her face covered whilst teaching a language class; for the latter it's clearly necessary to see your teacher's face.

Is it necessary for a client to see his hairdresser's hair? I'm not sure. I don't go to the hairdresser's that often but when I do I tend to have a pretty good idea of what I want my hair to look like. In fact I'm not even sure I take much notice of his hairstyle.

If a "funky" salon demands their employees have similarly "funky" hairstyles which are then duly paraded before clients, I have to ask why. Is it to somehow influence their clientele? If so then that suggests - to me at least - that they're simply buying in to a superficial mindset of fashion trends and willy-nilly decisions.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
CHARITY
The infused supernatural virtue by which a person loves God above all things for his own sake, and [b]loves others for God's sake.[/b]
Let us be charitable in our attitudes here please. Remember that behind each screenname is a creation of God, beloved by Him, not just a faceless, nameless entity. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

[rizz_loves_jesus]

Did it say in the job description that one had to show their hair while working in the salon?

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Staretz' post='1590105' date='Jul 3 2008, 11:30 AM']Speaking of getting hot, please do not click on this link. My antivirus program, invisus, detected a couple viruses.[/quote]


Ouch! sorry!!!!

I guess I need to find a better antivirus program...


[b]Hey mods! can you delete that link??[/b]

Edited July 3, 2008 by tgoldson

[dominicansoul]

I think I would have been more concerned if she came in wearing a beehive on her head....

[CatherineM]

I remember my mom doing a beehive hairdo on me for a pageant. I wanted to wear a stocking cap over it.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1590066' date='Jul 3 2008, 05:49 PM']You're still lying. Still putting words in my mouth. And fact that you're doing it in a public forum--that makes it slander.

"The truth is that the biggest enemy of Islam is the Muslims themselves, because they have relinquished all decency in dealing with others, as well as the courage to oppose oppression" ... [url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021615.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021615.php[/url]

Not that I expect you to have one iota of interest in the facts, but there it is.[/quote]

Jihadwatch seems to occupy the same status as a divinely revealed text with you. This is not the first time you've quoted it to me as a definitive source on Islam. The first time was after I introduced myself as a former Muslim who has spent the best part of her life in an Islamic country, and corrected a few mistakes that you'd made in a post. You replied, "I don't have to respond." Then you linked to jihadwatch.

You're right. You don't have to respond to anything. You also don't have to defend any of the examples of your conduct that I've cited as being worrying or even hateful.

You do, however, have to acknowledge that it is possible to demonstrate hateful behaviour towards a group of people without opening your mouth and explicitly stating, "I hate such-and-such."

You are free to behave as you see fit, but don't expect semantics (and links to jihadwatch) to cover your back if you are going to make some of the vituperative and vicious statements that you come out with on a regular basis.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1590068' date='Jul 3 2008, 05:51 PM']And your lies are getting worse. Now you've gone from falsely accusing me of not liking Muslims to falsely accusing me of hating them.

And because you lie and slander me in this forum I'm putting you on ignore effective now.[/quote]

You ignore me anyway - just as you ignore anybody who disagrees with you - so I don't see why the extra effort of clicking a button in your control panel is necessary.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1590247' date='Jul 3 2008, 12:32 PM']Then you linked to jihadwatch.[/quote]
I prefer [url="http://memritv.org/"]MemriTV[/url].

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1590269' date='Jul 3 2008, 08:49 PM']I prefer [url="http://memritv.org/"]MemriTV[/url].[/quote]

Do you know who founded MEMRI?

[Apotheoun]

Yes, I do. But what I like about MemriTV is that the information is taken from Islamic televsion.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1590283' date='Jul 3 2008, 09:01 PM']Yes, I do. But what I like about MemriTV is that the information is taken from Islamic televsion.[/quote]

Information is cherry-picked from a variety of Middle Eastern television channels (and other media outlets). The big newspapers with large circulations throughout the Middle East ([i]Al-Ahram[/i], for example - this is a top-selling paper throughout the region) are rarely if ever quoted, whereas obscure pamphlets with a tiny circulation are given huge and undue prominence. William Rugh, a former US Ambassador to the United Arab Emirates and Yemen, picked up on this, stating cautiously that MEMRI "does not present a balanced or complete picture of the Arab print media..." I think that he was making an understatement, although I suppose that a man in his position has to be very diplomatic in the way he phrases things.

As you know, the two founders of MEMRI (and the people who run it today) are Zionists of a particularly fiery streak. Today it is managed by people who are serving or have served in the Israeli Defence Forces, which perhaps explains that when Hebrew and Arabic-language media reported the Israeli politician's Effi Eitam's infamous description of Palestinian people as 'a cancer', MEMRI didn't pick up on the story at all - even though it was widely publicised and much discussed. Yet outrageous and racist remarks by obscure Muslim clerics - people with nowhere near such fame or prominence as Eitam - are invariably picked up and presented as though half the Middle East is listening to them over their breakfast cereal.

That organisation has a distinct political agenda to push. If you would like to keep your finger on the pulse of the Middle Eastern world (which isn't quite the same thing as the Islamic world, so I would avoid using terms like 'Islamic television'), order in a few of the English translations of the major Arab dailies and tune in to the major news channels via the Internet. Don't be content with cherry-picking.