Vatican Approves New English Translation For Mass!

[MissyP89]

[quote]Vatican, Jul. 25, 2008 (CWNews.com) - The Vatican has given formal approval to a new English translation of the central prayers of the Mass for use in the United States.

In a June 23 letter of Bishop Arthur Serratelli, the chairman of the US bishops' liturgy committee, the Congregation for Divine Worship announces its recognitio for the translation, which had already won the approval of the US bishops' conference, despite strong protests from some liberal prelates.

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Among the noteworthy changes that Catholics will notice when the new translation goes into effect are:

* At the Consecration, the priest will refer to Christ's blood which is "poured out for you and for many"-- an accurate translation of pro multis-- rather than "for all" in the current translation.

* In the Nicene Creed the opening word, Credo, will be correctly translated as "I believe" rather than "we believe."

* When the priest says, "The Lord be with you," the faithful respond, "And with your spirit," rather than simply, "And also with you."

* In the Eucharistic prayer, references to the Church will use the pronouns "she" and "her" rather than "it."

* In the Agnus Dei, the text cites the "Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world," rather than using the singular word "sin."

* In the preferred form of the penitential rite, the faithful will acknowledge that they have sinned "through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault."[/quote]

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I know a lot of people here will be pleased. Too bad, I was [i]just[/i] getting used to the current language. Ah well, we'll adjust!

[Vincent Vega]

So...do we do this, like...effective now?

[IrishSalesian]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1608642' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:10 PM']So...do we do this, like...effective now?[/quote]

I bet that we don't do it unitl the new liturgical books are published. Or whenever the Vatica gave for a date to begin on.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='IrishSalesian' post='1608649' date='Jul 25 2008, 07:21 PM']I bet that we don't do it unitl the new liturgical books are published. Or whenever the Vatica gave for a date to begin on.[/quote]
It will probably take effect only once the new books are published.

[Vincent Vega]

I take it our priests will probably address this at the end of mass?

[MissyP89]

According to the article, it's not going to take effect yet; like most of you said, it probably won't be until the new missals come out in 2010. Until then, they're supposed to kind of prepare us for it.

[Apotheoun]

Most likely the USCCB will publish the new liturgical books and then set a date on which they become effective. Only then do I believe an announcment will be made.

[ardillacid]

Can someone explain the deep theological meaning behind the changes to me?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1608705' date='Jul 25 2008, 07:41 PM']Can someone explain the deep theological meaning behind the changes to me?[/quote]
Yes.

[TeresaBenedicta]

I'm not going to lie-- I'm here all alone at work and I definitely let out a triumphant "Yes!" when I read this.

[Madame Vengier]

This is a good start. There's a lot more work to do. Can't believe it's taken 40 years to get just some minor corrections done.

It will take some getting used to for me to say "and with your spirit". I don't know, that one feels a bit awkward.

[Apotheoun]

The response "And with your spirit" is theologically important because it is a reference to the Spirit that the priest has received through the mystery of sacred ordination. In other words, we are not simply responding to "Fr. Joe" or "Fr. John" during the liturgy; instead, we are responding to Christ, who -- through His earthly minister -- calls the Church into being during the liturgical synaxis.

[CatherineM]

It should be around 10 years for our parish to get enough money together to buy the new book.

[Apotheoun]

They will get them faster than that, because the decree promulgating the new liturgical books will include a specific date on which they become effective, and when the old books may no longer be used.

Edited July 26, 2008 by Apotheoun

[Veritas]

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This is AWESOME!!!

[cappie]

WASHINGTON— The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has receivedapproval (recognitio) from the Holy See’s Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments for the new English-language translation of the Order of Mass (Ordo Missae).

This is the first section of the translation of the third edition of the Roman Missal. It includes most of the texts used in every celebration of the Mass, including the responses that will be said by the people.

[b]In its letter, the Congregation pointed out that while the texts are binding, the approval “does not intend that these texts are to be put into use immediately.”
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Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation, explained the reasons for providing the text at this time. [b]The purpose is to provide “time for the pastoral preparation of priests, deacons and for appropriate catechesis of the lay faithful. It will likewise facilitate the devising of musical settings for parts of the Mass.”
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The text is covered by copyright law and the Statutes of the International Commission on English in the Liturgy.

The more significant changes of the people’s parts are:

1. et cum spiritu tuo is rendered as “And with your spirit”
2. In the Confiteor, the text “through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault” has been added
3. The Gloria has been translated differently and the structure is different from the present text
4. In the Preface dialogue the translation of “Dignum et justum est” is “It is right and just”
5. The first line of the Sanctus now reads “Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God of hosts”
6. The response of the people at the Ecce Agnus Dei is “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”

[b]At this time, no date is available as to when the entire translation of the Roman Missal will be released.
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[url="http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2008/08-108.shtml"]http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2008/08-108.shtml[/url]

[Brother Adam]

While wonderful news, this means I am going to have to replace the $200 copy of the Liturgy of the Hours I just purchased this year probably in the next 4-5 years. Nuts.

[cappie]

It doesn't address the Liturgy of the Hours. The ICEL project to update the LotH has been going on for some time. My understanding is that is has been put on the back burner while the translation of the Roman Missal is under way. Granted its been underway for a decade now...........

[Justin86]

Sounds good to me. In my opinion, once we start using language so commonly used it could be understood by everyone without an English dictionary, the Mass begins to lose that quality of lifting our minds and hearts up to God. So what if we have to look up a few of these words (I hear "gibbet" will be making a come back in the New Liturgy) to know their meaning. The point of using words not often used in regular conversation is to make it easier to lift our minds and hearts up to the Lord. That's what prayer is after all. Why make praying at Mass any harder then it has to be?

One more thing: if new comers go to Mass and get the impression they already understand everything that's going on they won't stick around to delve any deeper. If we make it rather mysterious to non-Catholics they might stick around and ask a few questions.

Edited July 26, 2008 by Justin86

[mortify]

This is excellent news!

Now we just have to throw in some Latin, have the Priest face East, get some nice vestments, and reinstitute Gregorian chant.