Vatican Approves New English Translation For Mass!

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='mortify' post='1608988' date='Jul 26 2008, 09:24 AM']This is excellent news!

Now we just have to throw in some Latin, have the Priest face East, get some nice vestments, and reinstitute Gregorian chant.[/quote]

You don't need a letter from the Vatican to get all that stuff back in the Mass.

[Justin86]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1609017' date='Jul 26 2008, 05:17 PM']You don't need a letter from the Vatican to get all that stuff back in the Mass.[/quote]

That's true. Any priest may say the Novus Ordo Mass [i]ad orientem[/i] correct?

[cappie]

Correct

[Justin86]

By the way, did I spell [i]orientem[/i] correctly?

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1609040' date='Jul 26 2008, 12:52 PM']By the way, did I spell [i]orientem[/i] correctly?[/quote]

I'm no scholar but I'm pretty sure you did.

[aalpha1989]

I'm pretty sure it's orientam.


But, but, but... the language is just so [i]archaic[/i]! Whatever will we do?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1609207' date='Jul 26 2008, 01:18 PM']I'm pretty sure it's orientam.
But, but, but... the language is just so [i]archaic[/i]! Whatever will we do? [/quote]
Orientem.

[Apotheoun]

It's easier to just say, "face east."

Edited July 26, 2008 by Apotheoun

[Autumn Dusk]

many churches haven't changed since the last time things were updated (a couple years ago) they just can't afford the new books.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1609214' date='Jul 26 2008, 01:38 PM']Orientem.[/quote]

ok. thanks

[CatherineM]

Archaic language. With text messaging, complete sentences are soon going to be archaic. I think it is okay to introduce some formality and old time civility to our increasingly casual society.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1609279' date='Jul 26 2008, 03:28 PM']Archaic language. With text messaging, complete sentences are soon going to be archaic. I think it is okay to introduce some formality and old time civility to our increasingly casual society.[/quote]

(you know I was kidding, right?)

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1609249' date='Jul 26 2008, 12:38 PM']many churches haven't changed since the last time things were updated (a couple years ago) they just can't afford the new books.[/quote]
A copy of the "Sacramentary" costs about $40.00.

[Autumn Dusk]

even so, when churches are verging on consolidation, barley keeping the priest's salary nevermind a seceretary or a cook, (as they once had) $40 on a book they might never really use is alot. The priests use their own money for gas for sick calls. The churches around my college, my hometown, and my new town are really in a sad state. some are even in debt.

[TeresaBenedicta]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1609318' date='Jul 26 2008, 05:35 PM']even so, when churches are verging on consolidation, barley keeping the priest's salary nevermind a seceretary or a cook, (as they once had) $40 on a book they might never really use is alot. The priests use their own money for gas for sick calls. The churches around my college, my hometown, and my new town are really in a sad state. some are even in debt.[/quote]

The Sacramentary is used in every single Mass.

[Autumn Dusk]

yeah but they don't bother buying a new one when they know they'll be another one out in another year. I guess that's their thought process. Many churches have gone to "reusable" missels even, so they don't have to buy new ones every liturgical season. Honestly, its really sad. However, I don't know how much of it is contrived

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1608753' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:00 PM']The response "And with your spirit" is theologically important because it is a reference to the Spirit that the priest has received through the mystery of sacred ordination. In other words, we are not simply responding to "Fr. Joe" or "Fr. John" during the liturgy; instead, we are responding to Christ, who -- through His earthly minister -- calls the Church into being during the liturgical synaxis.[/quote]


I understand the theology behind it. I just meant that the actual wording feels awkward. To me. I'll just get used to it.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1609379' date='Jul 26 2008, 04:17 PM']I understand the theology behind it. I just meant that the actual wording feels awkward. To me. I'll just get used to it.[/quote]
In the English language versions of the Eastern liturgy the phrase has always been correctly translated as "And with (to) your Spirit."

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1609342' date='Jul 26 2008, 03:02 PM']yeah but they don't bother buying a new one when they know they'll be another one out in another year. I guess that's their thought process.[/quote]
My point stands: the idea that the new books will be too expensive is false.

The reason to replace the old books is clear: (1) the ICEL texts from the 1970s and 1980s are poor translations of the original language, and (2) the Church's Magisterium will mandate the use of the newer books.

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1609342' date='Jul 26 2008, 03:02 PM']Many churches have gone to "reusable" missels even, so they don't have to buy new ones every liturgical season. Honestly, its really sad. However, I don't know how much of it is contrived.[/quote]
The Latin Churches that I have been to in the SF Bay Area continue to use disposable missals; but regardless, the new books will be mandated and parishes will have to buy them.

The Latin parish that is closest to me, which is not a "large" parish in comparison to others in the area, takes in between $10,000 to $12,000 in its weekly collections, it can certainly afford a $40 or $50 (even a $200) Roman Missal.

Edited July 26, 2008 by Apotheoun

[Autumn Dusk]

I'm on the east coast...so perhaps the story is different there. times are lean for the Catholic church here (unless you're in, say, Boston, or Barre, or NYC). Many parishes are locked in bitter fights about which one will close its doors....and live with the fact that it may be their doors, tomorrow. So "wasting" any money is seen as a downfall when parishes are pit against eachother scraping pennies to prove that they are more viable than the other. Forget sound litirgucal practices.

I understand that its just $40 to $200 but some priests do see it as an unnecessary expense. There were changes effective October 2005 and many priests have yet to get those in order or have the books with those changes in them.

I'm not saying its a real excuse, but it is an issue around where I live.