"societal Suicide" - Attacks On Marriage

[fides quarens intellectum]

So... i was listening to the Catholic Answers podcast, and their guest, Charles S. LiMandri, mentioned an article he had written recently about the "societal suicide" of America. First, please read his whole article before posting - [url="http://www.catholicexchange.com/2008/06/19/112901/"]FULL TEXT HERE[/url]

I am particularly curious as to what you guys think of the following thesis:
[quote]And how much time do we have left by Unwin’s standards — I would say that we are at least at the end of the second generation of deterioration, if not already well into the final third generation before the collapse.[/quote]

I want to hear what you guys think, but i ask that this not turn into another debate about the Pham's attitudes about homosexuality, levels of mortal sin, etc. Please, guys - i am more interested in broader implications/societal patterns/causatory links as suggested by this article (which talks about more than just homosexuality!).

For me, it is in sync with what i have been thinking personally since i began studying the TOB, but i want to hear your comments, especially those who may disagree with his diagnosis of our "societal suicide." Thanks!


EDIT: It's not letting me capitalize the "s" in "Societal" in the thread title - sorry about that.

Edited July 30, 2008 by fides quarens intellectum

[dominicansoul]

I too, find we may very well be in the waning years and very close to the collapse of our society. The article states very well how this breakdown began and how certain factors in our recent history have contributed to the impending collapse. I wouldn't be shocked if we are all, in fact witnesses of the final generations before the 2nd Coming.

[Justin86]

I've pondered this myself many times, and tried to come up with my own, unresearched theories. I like Unwin's better. However, I think the "outburst of homosexuality" hasn't actually occurred until our generation. I don't know, do any of the phatmassers of the older generations remember homosexuality being so rampant as it is now? With all these young people thinking that they must be gay because they just got one little impulse?

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1613223' date='Jul 30 2008, 04:15 PM']I've pondered this myself many times, and tried to come up with my own, unresearched theories. I like Unwin's better. However, I think the "outburst of homosexuality" hasn't actually occurred until our generation. I don't know, do any of the phatmassers of the older generations remember homosexuality being so rampant as it is now? With all these young people thinking that they must be gay because they just got one little impulse?[/quote]

NO, homosexuality has only until recently (in regards to 100 years time) burst out into the scene...and is becoming more and more a "respected and protected lifestyle..."

This article shows the model of the downfall of societies, as "there is nothing new under the sun.." this has occurred before...right before the destruction and downfall of many past civilizations...

[CatherineM]

As one of the oldest, I will say that no, I don't even remember knowing what a gay person was until I started working with AIDS patients when I was 24, that would have been 1986. It didn't make any sense to me. I must have had the dumbest look on my face when this older woman was trying to explain what homosexual meant. I kept saying, "I don't understand how that could work with two guys."

On the news last night, they had a feature about a teenage summer camp here just for GLT kids. So popular that they are going to have one in BC and Ottawa next year. Their brains haven't even stopped developing yet, and they are setting their sexuality in stone.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1613285' date='Jul 30 2008, 05:53 PM']As one of the oldest, I will say that no, I don't even remember knowing what a gay person was until I started working with AIDS patients when I was 24, that would have been 1986. It didn't make any sense to me. I must have had the dumbest look on my face when this older woman was trying to explain what homosexual meant. I kept saying, "I don't understand how that could work with two guys."

On the news last night, they had a feature about a teenage summer camp here just for GLT kids. So popular that they are going to have one in BC and Ottawa next year. Their brains haven't even stopped developing yet, and they are setting their sexuality in stone.[/quote]

Yes, Satan worked it out so that little kids would be exposed to sex at a very very early age. I believe there is sex education in elementary schools, correct? There is also the indoctrination that the homosexual lifestyle is not aberrant to nature or what is normal.

I didn't fully understand what sexual intercourse was until highschool, and I never had any sort of temptations until I came to that knowledge. So, you can imagine what those poor little kids have been exposed to, and what kinds of temptations they have to fight at such a young young age!

[CatherineM]

I'm like you. I didn't understand what was involved with sex until I was late in highschool, and by then, I was mature enough to understand the implications and consequences.

What really bothered me about this teen camp, is that they have found in people who started smoking before the age of 16, that it is almost impossible for them to stop because they started smoking while their brains were still developing. Their brains literally finished forming in the presence of nicotine, so their brains developed to "need" it to function. If kids are told that they are gay repeatedly just because they are different, while their brains are still developing, then how can they possibly ever understand that they aren't necessarily, and that they can develop differently?

My husband had tons of trouble in school growing up. His disease makes it hard for him to understand social situations, so he was really targeted. Kids seem to know immediately that someone is different, and they go right after them. He was called gay repeatedly. He isn't, just schizophrenic. If he was in school today, some well meaning teacher might have identified him as someone that could benefit from "Camp Fyre Fly." He could have ended up so damaged.

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1613297' date='Jul 30 2008, 06:12 PM']Yes, Satan worked it out so that little kids would be exposed to sex at a very very early age. I believe there is sex education in elementary schools, correct? There is also the indoctrination that the homosexual lifestyle is not aberrant to nature or what is normal.

I didn't fully understand what sexual intercourse was until highschool, and I never had any sort of temptations until I came to that knowledge. So, you can imagine what those poor little kids have been exposed to, and what kinds of temptations they have to fight at such a young young age![/quote]


I can attest to that! I'm a teacher in an elem school and we've confiscated pornography from 2nd graders!

I fully believe that the world will spontaneously combust sin, long before it combusts from global warming!

[i]"Even the rocks cry out!"[/i][i][/i]

[CatherineM]

Sin could be another cause of global warming that the scientists have overlooked.

[Socrates]

Very true article.

The current "outburst of homosexuality" is the direct result of and progression from the "sexual revolution" of the current older generation, and the contraceptive mentality and breakdown of the family.
Contrary to what some pc bleeding hearts might tell you, the "gay" movement must be actively resisted, but we can't expect any real substantial change unless there is a serious return to sexual morality and the regarding of sex and marriage as sacred, rather than mere entertainment/recreation.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1613223' date='Jul 30 2008, 04:15 PM']I've pondered this myself many times, and tried to come up with my own, unresearched theories. I like Unwin's better. However, I think the "outburst of homosexuality" hasn't actually occurred until our generation. I don't know, do any of the phatmassers of the older generations remember homosexuality being so rampant as it is now? With all these young people thinking that they must be gay because they just got one little impulse?[/quote]
I'm not "that old" (I'm a Gen Xer), but I can tell you that even within my own lifetime, homosexuality has become much more accepted and prominent in our culture than it was when I was growing up.
Being "gay" was basically universally seen as something shameful, and usually used as an insult.

While the "gay rights" movement first began at the end of the 60's, the widespread acceptance of/obsession with homosexuality didn't fully take off until sometime in the 1990s.
Recently, driving past the local high school, I've seen boys making out with each other in front of their peers, who seem to pay it no mind, or walking down mainstreet in broad daylight hugging and kissing.
(And this is hardly some hip center of trendy liberalism, but an old-fashioned blue-collar "redneck" town.) I can tell you for a fact that fifteen, twenty years ago anyone seen doing that here would have been beaten up on the spot. (And before anyone jumps on me, I'm not advocating beating up "gays," merely pointing out how quickly social mores have changed.)

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1613450' date='Jul 30 2008, 08:41 PM']I'm not "that old" (I'm a Gen Xer), but I can tell you that even within my own lifetime, homosexuality has become much more accepted and prominent in our culture than it was when I was growing up.
Being "gay" was basically universally seen as something shameful, and usually used as an insult.

While the "gay rights" movement first began at the end of the 60's, the widespread acceptance of/obsession with homosexuality didn't fully take off until sometime in the 1990s.
Recently, driving past the local high school, I've seen boys making out with each other in front of their peers, who seem to pay it no mind, or walking down mainstreet in broad daylight hugging and kissing.
(And this is hardly some hip center of trendy liberalism, but an old-fashioned blue-collar "redneck" town.) I can tell you for a fact that fifteen, twenty years ago anyone seen doing that here would have been beaten up on the spot. (And before anyone jumps on me, I'm not advocating beating up "gays," merely pointing out how quickly social mores have changed.)[/quote]

I'm a generation X-er also and totally agree with your observations.

[mommas_boy]

Question, what does a society in a state of "collapse" look like, according to Unwin's theories? Thanks.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='mommas_boy' post='1613564' date='Jul 30 2008, 11:08 PM']Question, what does a society in a state of "collapse" look like, according to Unwin's theories? Thanks.[/quote]

Ever been to Belmont/Halsted?

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1613581' date='Jul 30 2008, 11:20 PM']Ever been to Belmont/Halsted?[/quote]



Oh.

What I mean to ask is, aside from effeminate men proudly parading around the streets of Chicago, what else do we have to fear? Will wars be fought as direct effects of the linked article? I've done some searching and can find nothing on Joseph Unwin. I'm curious as to what the end situations Unwin is talking about when he says "collapse".