Spiritual Gifts

[Autumn Dusk]

you want to swear in church?

or in general?

If its in general its probably a psycological thing. I don't know much about the brittish acent but what I've watched in movies, however, when I'm scared I speak in an impecciable brittish accent. Especially when I'm answering the phone. It has nothing to do with speaking in toungs. A psycologist friend of mine once explained it as a defense mechinism, that, if we intend to stop doing somethin, or are afraid of something, our brain fixes it without our concious mind using knowlege we have already in us. So, in your case, you could be over-compensating for a swearing habit that you want to overcome.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1616154' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:00 PM']No, you cannot curse in toungues. The authentic gift of tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, he is praying through you (although you are in complete control) and he would never...(I'm not even going to go there).[/quote]Pardon, but where does it say that tongues must be prayer?

And need I point out that the bible mentions several people cursing others and being justified in doing so.

The point is that if my tongues aren't a gift of the Holy Spirit, then what are they? Who gave them to me? Is it just gibberish? And on top of that, how can you be sure your tongues aren't just like mine - meaningless? Especially since even the people speaking in tongues usually don't know exactly what they're saying.

p.s. - the cursing occurs only when mad at myself. So I'm only ever cursing myself if that makes a difference.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1616158' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:03 PM']you want to swear in church?

or in general?

If its in general its probably a psycological thing. I don't know much about the brittish acent but what I've watched in movies, however, when I'm scared I speak in an impecciable brittish accent. Especially when I'm answering the phone. It has nothing to do with speaking in toungs. A psycologist friend of mine once explained it as a defense mechinism, that, if we intend to stop doing somethin, or are afraid of something, our brain fixes it without our concious mind using knowlege we have already in us. So, in your case, you could be over-compensating for a swearing habit that you want to overcome.[/quote]

1. I don't want to swear at all.
2. I have a degree in psychology myself. I have thought of this. But as in my previous post, if my tongues are psychological, how can we be sure that everyone else's isn't also?

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616159' date='Aug 2 2008, 08:05 PM']Pardon, but where does it say that tongues must be prayer?

And need I point out that the bible mentions several people cursing others and being justified in doing so.

The point is that if my tongues aren't a gift of the Holy Spirit, then what are they? Who gave them to me? Is it just gibberish? And on top of that, how can you be sure your tongues aren't just like mine - meaningless? Especially since even the people speaking in tongues usually don't know exactly what they're saying.

p.s. - the cursing occurs only when mad at myself. So I'm only ever cursing myself if that makes a difference.[/quote]

Sometimes people who have been possessed have been able to talk in other languages, even if they were very simple, uneducated peasants. Just throwing that out there. [u]I'm definitely not accusing anyone of being possessed[/u] - I'm just saying that certain supernatural abilities can come from God *or* the devil. Just like having special gifts of foresight. Some people may actually get them as a gift from God, others as a gift from Satan and use them as a tool of Satan.

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616159' date='Aug 2 2008, 08:05 PM']Pardon, but where does it say that tongues must be prayer?

And need I point out that the bible mentions several people cursing others and being justified in doing so.

The point is that if my tongues aren't a gift of the Holy Spirit, then what are they? Who gave them to me? Is it just gibberish? And on top of that, how can you be sure your tongues aren't just like mine - meaningless? Especially since even the people speaking in tongues usually don't know exactly what they're saying.

p.s. - the cursing occurs only when mad at myself. So I'm only ever cursing myself if that makes a difference.[/quote]

I am not even going to respond to this.

[BG45]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1615550' date='Aug 2 2008, 12:21 AM']I believe in them, but I believe people misuse them. They pretend to have them for their own advantage, or delude themselves in a fervor.[/quote]


:Amen:

Mom's church had her fill out a Spiritual Gifts survey. I took it too, just out of idle curiosity. We both scored primarily in the roles that are behind the scenes, being patient and helping others. More likely to donate time, etc.

Most of the church's youth group claimed to speak in tongues and to prophesy. Which prompted their equivalent of a DRE to shake her head and say that one day they'd grow out of pretending.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1616164' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:09 PM']I am not even going to respond to this.[/quote]But you just did.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1616163' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:08 PM']Sometimes people who have been possessed have been able to talk in other languages, even if they were very simple, uneducated peasants. Just throwing that out there. [u]I'm definitely not accusing anyone of being possessed[/u] - I'm just saying that certain supernatural abilities can come from God *or* the devil. Just like having special gifts of foresight. Some people may actually get them as a gift from God, others as a gift from Satan and use them as a tool of Satan.[/quote]That is something else I have though of too, but if Satan is possessing me, he's doing a shoddy job of it. It's not affecting anyone else, nor hindering my spiritual life at all. really, in swearing in an unknown language, all that's really happening is that I wind up censoring myself. My incessant ear infections are more bothersome. That doesn't exactly seem like a tool of Satan to me.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616173' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:20 PM']That is something else I have though of too, but if Satan is possessing me, he's doing a shoddy job of it. It's not affecting anyone else, nor hindering my spiritual life at all. really, in swearing in an unknown language, all that's really happening is that I wind up censoring myself. My incessant ear infections are more bothersome. That doesn't exactly seem like a tool of Satan to me. [/quote]

I think that you unconsciously know it's wrong so you end up mixing your words so as to sensor yourself. It's psychological.

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616173' date='Aug 2 2008, 08:20 PM']That is something else I have though of too, but if Satan is possessing me, he's doing a shoddy job of it. It's not affecting anyone else, nor hindering my spiritual life at all. really, in swearing in an unknown language, all that's really happening is that I wind up censoring myself. My incessant ear infections are more bothersome. That doesn't exactly seem like a tool of Satan to me. [/quote]

Like I said, my comment wasn't directed at you (or anyone on this thread) The language thing being mentioned just reminded me of the really interesting but freakish abilities the possessed have picked up.

Not anyone on Phatmass, but I've come across some Christians - generally not Catholics - who claim to be "prophets," yet the pride they exhibit, including but not confined to the supposed gift from the Holy Spirit, is exhorbitant.

Edited August 3, 2008 by lilac_angel

[Autumn Dusk]

I believe the gift of toungs is only given in the praise, prayer, or servise of God.

Like I said above "gibberish" to some is a language that may be pleasing to God. English is a language of man. I'm sure that we won't be singing it in heaven. It has its pitfalls, and neglects sounds that the tounge can make. In that way its like Chineese. If by a certian age chineese speakers do not learn to speak certian consnants they loose their ability for life! How could God adequately be praised in a language that trains the tounge and looses sounds he gave us?

I once listened to someone who was praying in toungs who I believe had it validly and it was absolutely beautiful. It made no sence to me but the sound of the language...OH! it was testiment to the power of the human voice box, tounge and whatever else makes us speak. The thing was, in general, the lady who spoke in toungs was not an elequent or person with a particularly nice voice or manner.

I believe I've seen some false "psycological" versions, too, and those weren't nearly as magnificant as those I believe were genuine.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1616182' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:27 PM']I think that you unconsciously know it's wrong so you end up mixing your words so as to sensor yourself. It's psychological.[/quote]Which is the most likely conclusion. (though let me point out that I know it's wrong consciously too. )

But that still creates the question that if mine is psychological, how can we know everyone else's isn't also?

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616098' date='Aug 2 2008, 08:53 PM']Ok...so...some of you are talking about praying or speaking in tongues. But what about swearing/cursing in tongues? Because that seems to be what I do.[/quote]


[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616159' date='Aug 2 2008, 10:05 PM']Pardon, but where does it say that tongues must be prayer?

And need I point out that the bible mentions several people cursing others and being justified in doing so.

The point is that if my tongues aren't a gift of the Holy Spirit, then what are they? Who gave them to me? Is it just gibberish? And on top of that, how can you be sure your tongues aren't just like mine - meaningless? Especially since even the people speaking in tongues usually don't know exactly what they're saying.

p.s. - the cursing occurs only when mad at myself. So I'm only ever cursing myself if that makes a difference.[/quote]

I'm going to be honest here. This totally creeps me out. You mention the bible referring to people cursing (as in damning? not using vulgarities?) and being justified... I think that there is a tremendous difference between what is mentioned in the bible (granted I have not looked it up, but given your description....) and what you are doing.

From everything I have read on the subject tongues should really only be spoken when there is someone who speaks them and someone who can translate them BOTH present. Otherwise you may not know exactly what it is you are saying, and they could indeed be coming from the devil instead of the Holy Spirit. I believe that there are people who truly have the gift of tongues but I am extremely leery of those who claim to have it because of the lack of translators (as you pointed out, many people may be just speaking them because of some psychological influence). My suggestion to you would be to stop using them entirely if you are cursing in tongues. I really think that this is probably an abuse of the gift.

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1616193' date='Aug 2 2008, 08:40 PM']Which is the most likely conclusion. (though let me point out that I know it's wrong consciously too. )

But that still creates the question that if mine is psychological, how can we know everyone else's isn't also?[/quote]

If the devil gave uneducated, poor people power to speak in other languages (until the demon was extracted), why couldn't God give someone even more power to speak in other languages? Plus, if it's mentioned in the Bible...

[Farsight one]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1616199' date='Aug 2 2008, 09:46 PM']If the devil gave uneducated, poor people power to speak in other languages (until the demon was extracted), why couldn't God give someone even more power to speak in other languages? Plus, if it's mentioned in the Bible...[/quote]I'm not saying it's not possible. Not at all. I'm wondering how we might know the difference?