Lutheran And Non Demonintaional Christians Will Acheive Salvation

[Guest]

as long as they stay in a loveing, repentent, faithfull relationship with Christ and follow him to the best of their ability.

"However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church." -CCC, paragraph 818

Edited September 10, 2008 by Guest

[Guest]

Achieve


wow

[HisChildForever]

Does this mean that Catholics who leave the Church and settle into a non-denominational Christianity lose salvation?

[KnightofChrist]

Yet, those outside the Catholic Church are at very least not as close to the light as we in the Church and because of this, and because those outside the Church do not have all the sacraments they lack or do not receive the graces from God which can keep us in Christ so that we will be saved.

CCC, paragraph 818 does not state that non-catholic Christians [b]will[/b] achieve salvation, nor does it state that they do not have to become catholics. Christ gave the Church, that is The Catholic Church the command to bring others to the Catholic Church so that they maybe saved. The CCC says there maybe hope, but no promise.

I do not say that those outside the Church go to hell, God alone knows, I say, and so does Mother Church that it is much more dangerous and harder to achieve salvation outside the Church.

[Guest]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1652532' date='Sep 10 2008, 07:24 PM']I do not say that those outside the Church go to hell, God alone knows, I say, and so does Mother Church that it is much more dangerous and harder to achieve salvation outside the Church.[/quote]

I agree

[Guest]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1652528' date='Sep 10 2008, 07:23 PM']Does this mean that Catholics who leave the Church and settle into a non-denominational Christianity lose salvation?[/quote]

that is a good question.

[Vincent Vega]

I've heard it compared to gyms, with 'being fit' being equated to salvation.
Mother Church is like a big, fancy gym. There's lots of equipment to help you get in shape (sacraments) and there are personal trainers to make sure you're going in the right direction (the successors of St. Peter).
Who says that you can't get fit by going to a smaller place (non-Catholic, Christian sect) with only some dumbells and a stairmaster(Only some of the sacraments, ie. baptism)? No one is saying that, but we'd both agree that it would be more difficult.

[Guest]

I want the nice gym, are the female trainers hot ?

[Vincent Vega]

Well, there's one special Lady who's pretty high up...in my opinion, she's a pretty beautiful gal

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1652500' date='Sep 10 2008, 05:48 PM']as long as they stay in a loveing, repentent, faithfull relationship with Christ and follow him to the best of their ability.

"However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church." -CCC, paragraph 818[/quote]

rock on

[Guest]

God bless man, didnt mean to bring you in that yesterday. I got carried away, I think I need meds.

[pan!c139]

If non demononational Christians recognize that some things they believe are not true, and still cling to their own faith, it's possible that they might not go to Heaven, at least right away. It's like committing a serious sin - if you don't know it's serious, it's not serious. But if you do know that, and continue to committ that serious sin, then you are at fault.

A Lutheran or some other kind of Christian living their lives to the best of his ability, without knowing his err, would likely end up in Heaven.

God Bless.

[pan!c139]

Also - every Christian denomination contains most or part of the Truth - but if you want the WHOLE truth, look to the Catholic Church. It was established by Jesus Christ.

[Guest]

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1652623' date='Sep 10 2008, 08:41 PM']If non demononational Christians recognize that some things they believe are not true, and still cling to their own faith, it's possible that they might not go to Heaven, at least right away. It's like committing a serious sin - if you don't know it's serious, it's not serious. But if you do know that, and continue to committ that serious sin, then you are at fault.[/quote]

preach

[Guest]

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1652627' date='Sep 10 2008, 08:44 PM']Also - every Christian denomination contains most or part of the Truth - but if you want the WHOLE truth, look to the Catholic Church. It was established by Jesus Christ. [/quote]


word up

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1652618' date='Sep 10 2008, 07:37 PM']God bless man, didnt mean to bring you in that yesterday. I got carried away, I think I need meds. [/quote]

talking about me? eh no big. My beliefs are considered pretty extreme nowadays. Doesn't really bother me how people react. I kind of like it , makes for a fun day.

[pan!c139]

I actually have Lutheran family members.

[Guest]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1652641' date='Sep 10 2008, 07:52 PM']talking about me? eh no big. My beliefs are considered pretty extreme nowadays. Doesn't really bother me how people react. I kind of like it , makes for a fun day.[/quote]

haha its an art

[Guest]

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1652643' date='Sep 10 2008, 07:53 PM']I actually have Lutheran family members. [/quote]


ya, thats why i really like the " and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers" part of that.

[Guest]

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1652643' date='Sep 10 2008, 07:53 PM']I actually have Lutheran family members. [/quote]

double post

Edited September 11, 2008 by Guest