Gratification Through Exercise...

[MONTGOTM]

[b]What if you (I'm a female) are exercising... (crunches/ leg lifts/ ab workout stuff) and can have an orgasm from exercising. I would presume this is not immoral or a sin but what if you cannot stop thinking about sex and then do these exercises for a release. I am not sure if I explained this well enough feel free to ask questions to verify before you can answer but I am struggling with chastity and this seems to be the solution I have come to. Am I sinning?

Side note: I am not having any lustful thoughts while I do this... I am simply counting how many times I can do the exercise.[/b]

[cmotherofpirl]

Pick different exercies that do not result in the same effect.

[MONTGOTM]

I was hoping to get more than an opinion or suggestion for this answer. If anyone has any theological feedback that would be preferred. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1660628' date='Sep 21 2008, 05:52 PM']Pick different exercies that do not result in the same effect.[/quote]

[Thomist-in-Training]

Maybe switch to the "Q & A" section then where there are specific members whose job is to answer questions.

[mortify]

edit: as suggested you should switch to other exercises.

Edited September 22, 2008 by mortify

[Madame Vengier]

She posted this in the masturbation thread, too.

Bait.

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='MONTGOTM' post='1660625' date='Sep 21 2008, 06:47 PM'][b]What if you (I'm a female) are exercising... (crunches/ leg lifts/ ab workout stuff) and can have an orgasm from exercising. I would presume this is not immoral or a sin but what if you cannot stop thinking about sex and then do these exercises for a release. I am not sure if I explained this well enough feel free to ask questions to verify before you can answer but I am struggling with chastity and this seems to be the solution I have come to. Am I sinning?

Side note: I am not having any lustful thoughts while I do this... I am simply counting how many times I can do the exercise.[/b][/quote]

Theologically (morally) speaking, yes, it is a sin, because you knowingly continue to do something that arouses you. It is not even a matter of putting yourself in the "near occasion of sin" because, according to you, every time you engage in this particular exercises they result in an orgasm. So, as others mentioned, you should find another type of exercise that does not yield the same result.

God bless

Fr. Brian

[TeresaBenedicta]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1660702' date='Sep 21 2008, 09:22 PM']Theologically (morally) speaking, yes, it is a sin, because you knowingly continue to do something that arouses you. It is not even a matter of putting yourself in the "near occasion of sin" because, according to you, every time you engage in this particular exercises they result in an orgasm. So, as others mentioned, you should find another type of exercise that does not yield the same result.

God bless

Fr. Brian[/quote]

Interesting. Even if there is no intention of arousal, it is a sin? What if it does not happen all the time, but only sometimes?

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='TeresaBenedicta' post='1660717' date='Sep 21 2008, 09:32 PM']Interesting. Even if there is no intention of arousal, it is a sin? What if it does not happen all the time, but only sometimes?[/quote]

If you knowingly do something that causes arousal, I find it hard to say that there is within that no intention. It is like an alcoholic walking into a bar, there is no reason for him to go there in the first place, and he knows what happens when he goes to a bar, so why do something you know will lead to sin?

[havok579257]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1660914' date='Sep 22 2008, 01:33 AM']If you knowingly do something that causes arousal, I find it hard to say that there is within that no intention. It is like an alcoholic walking into a bar, there is no reason for him to go there in the first place, and he knows what happens when he goes to a bar, so why do something you know will lead to sin?[/quote]


But then what about the women who orgasm just from walking down the street wearing normal fitting jeans/pants. Should a women then NEVER wear pants? This seems to be the same situation. That she orgasms from something but her intention is not that. Is it not the same as wet dreams. I mean the intent is not there but it happens. It would seem like as long as her goal is not sexual gratification, then she should be alright. Just like I would assume a women who wears pants and orgasms when walking down the street is not sinning because her intent is not for sexual gradification.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661010' date='Sep 22 2008, 12:34 PM']But then what about the women who orgasm just from walking down the street wearing normal fitting jeans/pants.[/quote]
Is this a common occurence?

[quote]Should a women then NEVER wear pants?[/quote]

I for one do not believe in pants

[havok579257]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1661016' date='Sep 22 2008, 12:39 PM']Is this a common occurence?



I for one do not believe in pants [/quote]


Its not a common occurance, I consider common more than 50% of the population. Although there are many women who have an over-sensative part down there that anytime is comes into contact with something that produces friction causes orgasms. Some women have orgasms all throughout the day just from walking down the street in pants.

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661010' date='Sep 22 2008, 01:34 PM']But then what about the women who orgasm just from walking down the street wearing normal fitting jeans/pants. Should a women then NEVER wear pants? This seems to be the same situation. That she orgasms from something but her intention is not that. Is it not the same as wet dreams. I mean the intent is not there but it happens. It would seem like as long as her goal is not sexual gratification, then she should be alright. Just like I would assume a women who wears pants and orgasms when walking down the street is not sinning because her intent is not for sexual gradification.[/quote]

Re-read what she said. She did not say it was unintentional, she knows what she is doing before she does it.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661025' date='Sep 22 2008, 12:47 PM']Its not a common occurance, I consider common more than 50% of the population. Although there are many women who have an over-sensative part down there that anytime is comes into contact with something that produces friction causes orgasms. Some women have orgasms all throughout the day just from walking down the street in pants.[/quote]

You go to the bathroom and you adjust. I understand women are sensitive, but that doesn't ean it's an unavoidable situation. Buying pants that have a longer leg or are looser in the crotch area is a quick fix. We don't have to wear sweatpants all the time.

[Didymus]

let's look at the heart of the question here... because just like the question i keep asking on the last page here:
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=51550&pid=1660918&st=60&#entry1660918"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...p;#entry1660918[/url]

no one (save Socrates perhaps) is really answering the question, but rather giving suggestions, opinions, excuses, and advice..

Is it not intention in this matter that makes the act sinful?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1661111' date='Sep 22 2008, 03:51 PM']let's look at the heart of the question here... because just like the question i keep asking on the last page here:
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=51550&pid=1660918&st=60&#entry1660918"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...p;#entry1660918[/url]

no one (save Socrates perhaps) is really answering the question, but rather giving suggestions, opinions, excuses, and advice..

Is it not intention in this matter that makes the act sinful?[/quote]
If you commit an act that you know can result sin, then you are responsible because you knowin advance the possible result.

[havok579257]

[quote name='MissyP89' post='1661076' date='Sep 22 2008, 02:08 PM']You go to the bathroom and you adjust. I understand women are sensitive, but that doesn't ean it's an unavoidable situation. Buying pants that have a longer leg or are looser in the crotch area is a quick fix. We don't have to wear sweatpants all the time.[/quote]


But how acceptable is it for a women to always wear baggy pants. If a women works in an office, I doubt she could wear loose baggy pants. How is this case not unavoidable. That is unless the women stops walking all together or never wears pants.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1661033' date='Sep 22 2008, 12:59 PM']Re-read what she said. She did not say it was unintentional, she knows what she is doing before she does it.[/quote]


She knows whats going to happen but her intent is not for it to happen. It is a side effect of her body. Its the same thing as a young male knowing he will have wet dreams if he goes to sleep. Its not his intent but its a side effect of his body.

[havok579257]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1661188' date='Sep 22 2008, 04:46 PM']If you commit an act that you know can result sin, then you are responsible because you knowin advance the possible result.[/quote]

This rule can not be applied to all situations. Such as the one I mentioned earlier. I mean its not like we could expect a women in above case to never walk or wear pants or big baggy pants always.

[Theologian in Training]

It is said that after the Original Sin came the Original excuse. However, since what I have said seems to make no difference, despite hearing many confessions where similar things like this have come up, the CCC states:

"By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

Now, in this case, there is direct stimulation, and the intention, no matter which way you try to argue it, is to get something from this direct stimulation. It is a very difficult thing to have an orgasm accidentally, especially when fully awake and aware. Even if you intend to exercise, you know that by that exercise an orgasm results, and yet continue to exercise anyway then, by all laws of logic, you are held culpable for your actions.

If you want to get even more technical, there is knowledge that what is done leads to sin, there is full consent of the will, otherwise, somewhere during the exercises, she would stop, and the intention to just "exercise" is more an excuse than a valid argument.

I don't know if that is clear enough, but I tried.