Gratification Through Exercise...

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1661217' date='Sep 22 2008, 06:44 PM']It is said that after the Original Sin came the Original excuse. However, since what I have said seems to make no difference, despite hearing many confessions where similar things like this have come up, the CCC states:

"By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

Now, in this case, there is direct stimulation, and the intention, no matter which way you try to argue it, is to get something from this direct stimulation. It is a very difficult thing to have an orgasm accidentally, especially when fully awake and aware. Even if you intend to exercise, you know that by that exercise an orgasm results, and yet continue to exercise anyway then, by all laws of logic, you are held culpable for your actions.

If you want to get even more technical, there is knowledge that what is done leads to sin, there is full consent of the will, otherwise, somewhere during the exercises, she would stop, and the intention to just "exercise" is more an excuse than a valid argument.

I don't know if that is clear enough, but I tried.[/quote]
Its perfectly clear Father, its just not the answer that lets people off the hook.

[Guest]

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Edited September 22, 2008 by Guest

[MissyP89]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661196' date='Sep 22 2008, 05:11 PM']But how acceptable is it for a women to always wear baggy pants. If a women works in an office, I doubt she could wear loose baggy pants. How is this case not unavoidable. That is unless the women stops walking all together or never wears pants.[/quote]

If you read my original post, I said a woman should *not* have to wear baggy pants. Instead, it's a choice of what you buy. Try on the pants and walk in them before you buy. If they cause problems, fool with different sizes or a different style.

There is more than one option.

Edited September 22, 2008 by MissyP89

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661025' date='Sep 22 2008, 12:47 PM']Its not a common occurance, I consider common more than 50% of the population. Although there are many women who have an over-sensative part down there that anytime is comes into contact with something that produces friction causes orgasms. Some women have orgasms all throughout the day just from walking down the street in pants.[/quote]

I want to see statistics and reliable sources.

In fact, many women have difficulty experiencing an orgasm during sex - our bodies are just designed this way, because our bodies do not need to experience an orgasm in order to reproduce the way the male body does.

(Please censor this if it is too graphic.) A woman has two sensitive areas that bring her to orgasm. One is inside her body - therefore, tight pants do nothing - and one is outside her body, although it is protected by other parts since it is very sensitive to touch. This part is not exposed in the sense that pants would be able to affect it.

Using your argument, one would say that men would be more prone to spontaneous orgasm due to tight pants.

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='MissyP89' post='1661237' date='Sep 22 2008, 05:15 PM']If you read my original post, I said a woman should *not* have to wear baggy pants. Instead, it's a choice of what you buy. Try on the pants and walk in them before you buy. If they cause problems, fool with different sizes or a different style.

There is more than one option.[/quote]

Wouldn't it kind of be distracting at work, etc., to have such a problem? One could also wear long skirts if they're more concerned with having a normal existence during the day. Not that it's a common problem...

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1661239' date='Sep 22 2008, 05:17 PM']I want to see statistics and reliable sources.[/quote]

Same here... I think I'd hear about it more if this actually happened more than once in a blue strange moon.

[HisChildForever]

I find it terribly hilarious that everyone is associating tight pants = orgasm for women, when no one is discussing how this is ten times more likely to happen with a man, since his sex organ reacts to external stimulus.

[Guest]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1661249' date='Sep 22 2008, 06:25 PM']I find it terribly hilarious that everyone is associating tight pants = orgasm for women, when no one is discussing how this is ten times more likely to happen with a man, since his sex organ reacts to external stimulus.[/quote]

haha, men should not be wearing tight pants, that may just be me though, blame it on the hiphop?
and if a man had an orgasm from wearing tight pants ???
lol
i dunno
im gonna leave this alone

[Vincent Vega]

Not to mention that there are special sort of pants without individual leg holes for women...I think they're called "dresses" and "skirts"...something like that. Don't quote me, though.

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1661255' date='Sep 22 2008, 06:30 PM']Not to mention that there are special sort of pants without individual leg holes for women...I think they're called "dresses" and "skirts"...something like that. Don't quote me, though.[/quote]

lol... I mentioned that... But you put it in a more witty way than I did, so kudos.

[Vincent Vega]

Whoops, sorry, missed that.

[Didymus]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1661188' date='Sep 22 2008, 04:46 PM']If you commit an act that you know can result sin, then you are responsible because you knowin advance the possible result.[/quote]

but if a couple e.g. decide to undergo an ectopic procedure, couldn't they know that the doctor might intentionally kill their child? They would be committing to an act that can result in sin..

[Majella]

Bottom line is: you know that by doing certain exercises you are likely to achieve orgasm.
Thus it is a matter of masturbation, performed willingly and with full consent. It is not like a "wet dream", where you are not culpable. So that makes it a mortal sin, and something you have to snap out of immediately!

[havok579257]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1661255' date='Sep 22 2008, 06:30 PM']Not to mention that there are special sort of pants without individual leg holes for women...I think they're called "dresses" and "skirts"...something like that. Don't quote me, though.[/quote]


Ah, so a women in that case must NEVER wear pants. Last I heard skirts and dresses are great for warmth in zero degree weather.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661510' date='Sep 22 2008, 08:54 PM']Ah, so a women in that case must NEVER wear pants. Last I heard skirts and dresses are great for warmth in zero degree weather.[/quote]
Well, I'd say for a woman who experiences orgasm every time she puts pants on...yes.
But since this woman would have to live on Big Rock Candy Mountain anyway, I doubt she'd have to worry about zero-degree weather.

[havok579257]

[url="http://sexuality.about.com/od/anatomyresponse/a/orgasm_atypical.htm"]http://sexuality.about.com/od/anatomyrespo...sm_atypical.htm[/url]


This article also talks about how women get aroused and orgasm from breast feeding as well as spontaneous orgasms like I talked about. So should a women never breastfeed?

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasm#Spontaneous_orgasms"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasm#Spontaneous_orgasms[/url]

This is a little info on the original posters question, look under spontaneous. It also talks about riding a bike causing orgasms, yawning, working out or even sneezing. So then if this is the case for someone should they never ride a bike? Also how to avoid the yawning and sneezing?
Also some medicaines produce spontaneous orgasms? Should they be avoided, even if they will help the person?


[url="http://www.sexualhealth.com/article/read/women-sexual-health/orgasm/429/"]http://www.sexualhealth.com/article/read/w...lth/orgasm/429/[/url]

[url="http://health.msn.com/womens-health/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100213925&page=2"]http://health.msn.com/womens-health/articl...3925&page=2[/url]

[url="http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/07/11/sexpert-qa-spontaneous-orgasm/"]http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/07/11...taneous-orgasm/[/url]

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=ZArPH0nFGo0C&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=extragenital+orgasm&source=web&ots=KjsY1JXhhW&sig=DikMYtrD0ml1vu8DH6tSDIpBmN0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA269,M1"]http://books.google.com/books?id=ZArPH0nFG...esult#PPA269,M1[/url]

[url="http://www.spinalcord.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=32375"]http://www.spinalcord.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=32375[/url]

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661568' date='Sep 22 2008, 10:45 PM']This is a little info on the original posters question, look under spontaneous. It also talks about riding a bike causing orgasms, yawning, working out or even sneezing. So then if this is the case for someone should they never ride a bike? Also how to avoid the yawning and sneezing?
Also some medicaines produce spontaneous orgasms? Should they be avoided, even if they will help the person?[/quote]
I'll try to address point-by-point.
The original poster's question was about specific calisthenics. Yawning and sneezing are not voluntary actions; thence, any sexual gratification would not have full consent.
During breastfeeding, the woman is at a point where she's got many hormones going wild all at once;
The bike example that you provided, which I assume comes from the second article, according to said article, says that it sometimes happens, due to the vibrations and the motion. If this happens every time, certainly the female in question should re-examine her means of transportation. If this happens sporadically, or once in a while...well, I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable.
As for the medications, the only ones that I know of that cause this are anti-depressants.
From the a link in one of your links (http://sexterms.virtualove.net/human-sexuality/female-orgasm.html) NOTICE - mature content in that link:
[quote]Though, there is no accurate data on the percentage of people who had spontaneous orgasm while taking antidepressant pills because they didn’t admitted the fact of an experience that caught them accidentally.

But for those who would readily solve sexual problems with the help of those pills, it should be noticed that most patients who take [b]anti-depressant drugs are more likely to have a considerable decrease in their sex drive.[/b] Besides, achieving orgasm through sexual activity also meets some difficulty, i.e. anorgasmia was far more often the side effect of the pills than a spontaneous orgasm that could happened unwillingly and all of a sudden.[/quote]

In response to the original scenario: if you know that every time you do an exercise, it ends in sexual climax - Don't do it!

[havok579257]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1661592' date='Sep 22 2008, 11:03 PM']I'll try to address point-by-point.
The original poster's question was about specific calisthenics. Yawning and sneezing are not voluntary actions; thence, any sexual gratification would not have full consent.
During breastfeeding, the woman is at a point where she's got many hormones going wild all at once;
The bike example that you provided, which I assume comes from the second article, according to said article, says that it sometimes happens, due to the vibrations and the motion. If this happens every time, certainly the female in question should re-examine her means of transportation. If this happens sporadically, or once in a while...well, I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable.
As for the medications, the only ones that I know of that cause this are anti-depressants.
From the a link in one of your links (http://sexterms.virtualove.net/human-sexuality/female-orgasm.html) NOTICE - mature content in that link:


In response to the original scenario: if you know that every time you do an exercise, it ends in sexual climax - Don't do it![/quote]


But what if it does not happen ever single time and happens sporadically such as the bike riding thing or breast feeding. Should those things be stopped at once? Also taking anti-depressents and seizure meds(some have similar effects as anti depressent meds)?

[Majella]

I'm not sure if this thread is suitable ;there are perhaps youngsters looking at it.
Wouldn't want my 14 year-old reading all this stuff!

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1661653' date='Sep 23 2008, 12:29 AM']But what if it does not happen ever single time and happens sporadically such as the bike riding thing or breast feeding. Should those things be stopped at once? Also taking anti-depressents and seizure meds(some have similar effects as anti depressent meds)?[/quote]
In this case, I'd say it would be up to the judgment of the person in question and his confessor. I obviously can't answer for everyone in every case. However, when an action causes the exact same reaction time after time, one can be held culpable for the results after one notices the pattern.

And Majella, I apologize if I've said anything that isn't appropriate; moderators, moderate as you see fit (not that you needed my permission ).