Pio Nono Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 JMJ 9/30 - St Jerome All I really want to say is that preaching in there would be a nightmare. Where do you look? Do you have to move around? Architecturally, I can't tell whether the altar is on the same level as the laity. That would be the only substantial objection - apart, of course, from the terrible aesthetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='mortify' post='1667193' date='Sep 30 2008, 07:46 PM']It seems so empty to me... basically a glass and steal structure, barely any sign Catholicity. I am body and spirit and so I can't rely on my own interior disposition, I want the worship I engage in to smother me with the Divine and Catholicism. I want the structure facing east, the pews facing the altar, the altar against the wall with the Tabernacle prominently displayed, six lit candles, the overwhelming aroma of incense, statues that make Protestant's shudder, and paintings that orient my mind towards heavenly things. Sorry, but this "thing" they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on doesn't cut it. Just my opinion.[/quote] I definitely have to agree with you. [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1667200' date='Sep 30 2008, 08:06 PM']The architecture betrays the liturgy and is created in disdain to everything the Magisterium, Holy Father, and faithful scholars have written about it in the last 40 years. If I did not know who built the church in question and asked questions about their theology, I would first say that the community is the center of their worship and not Christ. I would then say that they have a very low christology with an absence of attention to iconography. On the same vein I would say they are iconoclastic and deny the communion of the saints. I also see no stations of the cross so would conclude it is not Catholic. I would also say that they are clearly ignoring Sacrosanctum Concilium that the church should reflect our theology that we believe the Mass is a foretaste of heaven. Even the Jewish people knew their worship was a such and filled their temple with creation images. It also says a lot about their belief of God's majesty to have such an empty and bland church.[/quote] Thank you, very important points. [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1667204' date='Sep 30 2008, 08:15 PM']Coming from a guy who has read (and thoroughly enjoyed) the books [i]Ugly As Sin[/i] and [i]Spirit of the Liturgy[/i]: There are three laws to Catholic architecture: Permanence Verticality Iconography Looks like they have the first two down; hopefully the last one will be revealed by interior decorations. I think that the space looks beautiful. Nevertheless, it does indeed bow to the document issued by the USCCB in the early 90's that is responsible for the modernization of U.S. Church architecture. One notices design choices (such as Mass in the round) that reflect an ideology that puts the Body of Christ as present in the People above the Body of Christ as present in the Eucharist.[/quote] You enjoyed the Spirit of the Liturgy and yet you still see this Church as "ok"? Ratzinger discusses the importance of the people facing the same direction, and of having the priest ad orientum. If PREVIOUSLY BUILT churches do not make those things possible, a crucifix should be placed on the altar [i]at a minimum[/i]. For new churches, especially for a Cathedral, this is unacceptable. [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1667218' date='Sep 30 2008, 08:34 PM'][img]http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages01/tns_014TheNeverEndingStory.jpg[/img] [img]http://laurajane.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/emp1.jpg[/img] Call my name! Bastian! Please! Save us![/quote] [quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1667219' date='Sep 30 2008, 08:45 PM']I don't understand why only renassance art and arcitecture represents the church!!!!!!!!![/quote] No one said that. It's not only renaissance art and architecture, it is art and architecture in a high, sacred, and solemn style. This cathedral is none of the above, and, as others have said, it ignores the Christology of the Mass and of worship in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 The churches above are blank. No feeling, and no soul. No Christian imagery to offend the atheist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 They built a new church in my mom's hometown in the 70's. We went there when visiting my very Baptist grand-mother, mostly to coagulated milk her off. It had windows set high up that let beams of light hit the altar in the morning. It was kind of cool. Not entirely glass though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='rizz_loves_jesus' post='1667184' date='Sep 30 2008, 07:24 PM']Wait... isn't that a liturgical abuse? I thought the altar was supposed to be at one end of the church, not in the middle.[/quote] It's a circle, there are no ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abercius24 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1667218' date='Sep 30 2008, 08:34 PM'][img]http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages01/tns_014TheNeverEndingStory.jpg[/img] [img]http://laurajane.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/emp1.jpg[/img] Call my name! Bastian! Please! Save us![/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='aalpha1989' post='1667245' date='Sep 30 2008, 10:23 PM']No one said that. It's not only renaissance art and architecture, it is art and architecture in a high, sacred, and solemn style. This cathedral is none of the above, and, as others have said, it ignores the Christology of the Mass and of worship in general.[/quote] WHY? It has the same intention of the early church builders....light, tall, bright and airy...awe inspiring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Speaking for myself, it might draw my attention to the beautiful sunshine, but that'd be at the expense of my attention to God. Besides, I'f I'm kneeling at the Consecration, I'd like to see the Consecration and nothing other than the Consecration, and certainly not some nose-picking chap on the other side of church in my direct line of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior1027 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1667540' date='Oct 1 2008, 08:26 AM']Speaking for myself, it might draw my attention to the beautiful sunshine, but that'd be at the expense of my attention to God. Besides, I'f I'm kneeling at the Consecration, I'd like to see the Consecration and nothing other than the Consecration, and certainly not some nose-picking chap on the other side of church in my direct line of sight.[/quote] For me, that church building just does not look prayer-conducive. I'd feel like I was in some movie about the 23rd century or something if I walked in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Gah, forgive my spelling mistake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='rizz_loves_jesus' post='1667184' date='Sep 30 2008, 07:24 PM']Wait... isn't that a liturgical abuse? I thought the altar was supposed to be at one end of the church, not in the middle.[/quote] I don't know about that. Does not St. Peter's have the altar set up in such a way that massgoers can be on all 4 sides? Additionally, the parish where I sometimes attend for TLM is set up with an altar in the middle in the main church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1667611' date='Oct 1 2008, 10:49 AM']I don't know about that. Does not St. Peter's have the altar set up in such a way that massgoers can be on all 4 sides? Additionally, the parish where I sometimes attend for TLM is set up with an altar in the middle in the main church.[/quote] Hmm. I guess I was wrong then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Looks like theater in the round. I think the interior arrangement is symbolic, best with the priest facing the same direction as the people, since he's leading us in prayer to God. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 More info at this video: [url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2591252595724200168&ei=3anjSMfPPIXE-wH5tbwC&q=cathedral+of+christ+the+light&vt=lf"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...light&vt=lf[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1667256' date='Sep 30 2008, 09:32 PM']It's a circle, there are no ends.[/quote] The fact that it is a circle is not such a good excuse. The church of San Marcos in Salamanca is a perfect circle too, but it still has all three altars in the "front" of the church. [url="http://imageshack.us"][img]http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/510/sanmarcls6.jpg[/img][/url] [url="http://imageshack.us"][img]http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9500/sanmarc1zg1.jpg[/img][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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