Muslims Demand Own Prayer Room At University

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Nadezhda' post='1678473' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:32 PM']There are a lot of threads on similar topics recently. I wonder what else is happening in the world? Canada had an election. Zimbabwe is experiencing joint government talks. Japan is making interesting advances in neurosciences.[/quote]


You're certainly free to post on those topics if you wish.

[Didymus]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1678477' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:34 PM']you're awesome.[/quote]

thanks!

[Hassan]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678480' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:37 PM']As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Hassan on this.

Much ado about nothing...[/quote]

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='philothea' post='1678469' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:28 PM']

Sorry, I shouldn't quote you, or I might accidentally sully someone's eyes with your words.

Anyway, on topic... *shrug*

If the university advertised a particular feature to students, and then they don't provide what they advertise, it seems reasonable for the people spending money there to complain. However, I think they ought to just use the facilities that are available, and only protest if it actually becomes an issue.

[/quote]


The person in question **claimed** the Muslims were "promised" their own room. I sincerely have a hard time believing that in today's PC climate, and with people so happy to sue over every hurt feeling, that the school truly "promised" Muslim students their **own** prayer room. It seems to me that the school has done an enormous service already not only to Muslim students but to other faiths as well. I mean, did you read the whole quoted part? FIVE ROOMS at the university. It's astounding that Muslims would have the nerve to be crying foul.

And naturally, no one is questioning why students of the other faiths aren't crying foul as well.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678482' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:37 PM']You're so cute, always helping the helpless with your rambling sentences.

Speaking of second grade, where I'm sure you learned some decent reading skills - I'm pretty sure the article Madame V showed said nothing about suicide bombers. We're not talking about suicide bombers. Her intent in this thread is not to convince anyone that Muslims are all suicide bombers.

Didy - Acknowledged his presence, yes. Read his posts, no.[/quote]


No, her intent is to convince people that all Muslims seek to dominate and spread Islam. That is the language of this post, that is what she has said in the past. THAT is what I object to.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1678485' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:40 PM'][/quote]

I know...

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678486' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:41 PM']The person in question **claimed** the Muslims were "promised" their own room. I sincerely have a hard time believing that in today's PC climate, and with people so happy to sue over every hurt feeling, that the school truly "promised" Muslim students their **own** prayer room. It seems to me that the school has done an enormous service already not only to Muslim students but to other faiths as well. I mean, did you read the whole quoted part? FIVE ROOMS at the university. It's astounding that Muslims would have the nerve to be crying foul.[/quote]


We agree here.

[quote]And naturally, no one is questioning why students of the other faiths aren't crying foul as well.[/quote]

Now we are getting into bigotry

[HisChildForever]

The article also mentions that there are separate prayer rooms for males and females. I would have to do some research on this, but what is the point of dividing up the genders? Is prayer gender-specific that both sexes can't be together in the same room praying? If the purpose is segregation - then isn't this university sort of catering to the segregation of men and women? I put more emphasis on women since they have to cover up constantly.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1678474' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:32 PM']How ignorant can folks be to actually put someone on ignore? The only time I could imagine that that tool would be useful is if someone were being excessively offensive, and if that happened yall could just have him or her banned.

What a ludicrous tool.[/quote]


This might be a serious blow to your ego, but YOU don't get to make up the rules for how and why the ignore feature is used.

And...I'm putting you on my ignore list as of this post. Because I don't care why other people choose to use the ignore feature--I choose to use it so that I don't have to read posts that are useless and which are designed not for actual dialogue but rather for inciting arguments and thread hi-jacking.

I have never, ever put someone on ignore just because I don't agree with them. I put people on ignore whose comments are useless to me and which bring nothing to the table. Bye-bye!

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678492' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:44 PM']The article also mentions that there are separate prayer rooms for males and females. I would have to do some research on this, but what is the point of dividing up the genders? Is prayer gender-specific that both sexes can't be together in the same room praying? If the purpose is segregation - then isn't this university sort of catering to the segregation of men and women? I put more emphasis on women since they have to cover up constantly.[/quote]


There is no reason the Muslims must have seperate rooms for men and women.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678495' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:45 PM']This might be a serious blow to your ego, but YOU don't get to make up the rules for how and why the ignore feature is used.

And...I'm putting you on my ignore list as of this post. Because I don't care why other people choose to use the ignore feature--I choose to use it so that I don't have to read posts that are useless and which are designed not for actual dialogue but rather for inciting arguments and thread hi-jacking.

I have never, ever put someone on ignore just because I don't agree with them. I put people on ignore whose comments are useless to me and which bring nothing to the table. Bye-bye![/quote]

Wow...

You are the epitome of maturity...

[T-Bone _]

(In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic.)

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678499' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:46 PM'](In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic.)[/quote]

I like how you clarified that.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1678475' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:33 PM']yeah, it's really funny to act like we're in second grade while directing our immaturity at someone who tries only to make people realize that not all muslims are suicide bombers...
[/quote]


No one ever said all Muslims are sucide bombers. Anyone who makes this kind of accusation is a liar and only trying to deflect attention away from the topic of the thread.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678500' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:48 PM']I like how you clarified that.[/quote]

Well, some people on the board are a wee bit slower than others.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678502' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:50 PM']Well, some people on the board are a wee bit slower than others.[/quote]

Yourself included? Because I was being sarcastic.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678501' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:48 PM']No one ever said all Muslims are sucide bombers. Anyone who makes this kind of accusation is a liar and only trying to deflect attention away from the topic of the thread.[/quote]

No, you did say this


[i][b]And we know what happens when Muslims get "stressed". [/b]We've already seen this behavior in America, Australia and all across Europe--most especially in England--from Muslim shoppers demanding prayer rooms in malls, to cab drivers refusing to allow customers in their cabs with dogs or alchohol, to cashiers refusing to ring up products such as bacon and beer at the checkout counter, to footbaths in American universities, to crosses removed from multi-faith chapels in public universities, to Muslims demanding special days off for their Islamic holidays, to Muslim nurses in America and Europe refusing to follow universal health protocols by demanding long-sleeved uniforms. The list goes on and on and on. [b]Expect to see it more and more as Muslims declare their superiority over the infidels and our wretched way of life[/b].[/i]

The problem is when you make generalized claims. Claiming all Muslims must be unpatriotic, only focus on spreading their reliigion and nothing else etc.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678492' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:44 PM']The article also mentions that there are separate prayer rooms for males and females. I would have to do some research on this, but what is the point of dividing up the genders? Is prayer gender-specific that both sexes can't be together in the same room praying? If the purpose is segregation - then isn't this university sort of catering to the segregation of men and women? I put more emphasis on women since they have to cover up constantly.[/quote]


I don't have a problem with Muslims or anyone else having their genders seperated. My issue is with Muslims DEMANDING, time and time again, to receive special treatment above and beyond concessions already graciously made on their behalf--and then crying "discrimation", "bigotry", "racism" and "stressed" when they don't get it.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678502' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:50 PM']Well, some people on the board are a wee bit slower than others.[/quote]

The text below is quoted. Sources:
[url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php[/url]

Australia: University's interfaith prayer facilities not good enough; Muslims want their own area:

This university has already bent over backwards for religious accommodations. But why let them stop now, when there are other demands to be made? "Muslim students protest about prayer room at RMIT," by Mark Dunn the Herald Sun, October 14 (thanks to Kyros):

Up to 1000 Muslim students at RMIT are protesting against sharing a multi-faith prayer room with Christians, Jews and worshippers of other faiths.

RMIT Islamic Society vice-president Mohamed Elrafihi said the university had promised Muslim students their own prayer room at the Swanston St campus.

Five refurbished multi-faith prayer rooms -- including a foot-wash room for Muslims and a prayer room with Arabic signs and oriented towards Mecca -- were opened to students earlier this year.

But Mr Elrafihi said the Islamic-themed prayer room can be booked by other religions, which would interrupt evening Muslim prayer times.

Islamic students have refused to use the new facilities, insisting one room be dedicated for use by Muslims.

"We have nothing against multi-faith, we support multi-faith," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said RMIT had misled international students in previous promotions about Muslim prayer facilities.

"The Muslims were promised a dedicated room and that was taken from them. That has caused a lot of stress," Mr Elrafihi said.

While refusing to use the new prayer facilities for the past eight months, up to 600 Muslim students have been worshipping outdoors each Friday in nearby Bowen St, or on other days on the lawns outside RMIT's prayer halls in part of the old Melbourne jail.

"There has been days when it has been raining, hail and thunder," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said Muslim students had nothing against other faiths.

But he said Jews, Christians and other religions using the centre were small in number and did not need their own dedicated facilities.

He explained that the Muslims were supported by Christian, Jewish and student union groups at the university.

RMIT Vice-Chancellor Professor Joyce Kirk said the university had spent significant resources on accommodating Muslim needs.

"RMIT University respects the rights of its students and staff to practise their chosen religions, and provides space for them to do so," Prof Kirk said.

"RMIT offers five Muslim-friendly prayer rooms on its Victorian campuses, two in the city, two in Bundoora and one in Brunswick."

She said the new spiritual centre in the city was specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces.
She said several rooms were reserved for Muslims at specified times but conceded they could be booked by other faiths during other periods.

She rejected suggestions the university was in any way discriminating against Muslims.

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[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678498' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:46 PM']Wow...

You are the epitome of maturity...[/quote]


The text below is quoted. Sources:
[url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php[/url]

Australia: University's interfaith prayer facilities not good enough; Muslims want their own area:

This university has already bent over backwards for religious accommodations. But why let them stop now, when there are other demands to be made? "Muslim students protest about prayer room at RMIT," by Mark Dunn the Herald Sun, October 14 (thanks to Kyros):

Up to 1000 Muslim students at RMIT are protesting against sharing a multi-faith prayer room with Christians, Jews and worshippers of other faiths.

RMIT Islamic Society vice-president Mohamed Elrafihi said the university had promised Muslim students their own prayer room at the Swanston St campus.

Five refurbished multi-faith prayer rooms -- including a foot-wash room for Muslims and a prayer room with Arabic signs and oriented towards Mecca -- were opened to students earlier this year.

But Mr Elrafihi said the Islamic-themed prayer room can be booked by other religions, which would interrupt evening Muslim prayer times.

Islamic students have refused to use the new facilities, insisting one room be dedicated for use by Muslims.

"We have nothing against multi-faith, we support multi-faith," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said RMIT had misled international students in previous promotions about Muslim prayer facilities.

"The Muslims were promised a dedicated room and that was taken from them. That has caused a lot of stress," Mr Elrafihi said.

While refusing to use the new prayer facilities for the past eight months, up to 600 Muslim students have been worshipping outdoors each Friday in nearby Bowen St, or on other days on the lawns outside RMIT's prayer halls in part of the old Melbourne jail.

"There has been days when it has been raining, hail and thunder," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said Muslim students had nothing against other faiths.

But he said Jews, Christians and other religions using the centre were small in number and did not need their own dedicated facilities.

He explained that the Muslims were supported by Christian, Jewish and student union groups at the university.

RMIT Vice-Chancellor Professor Joyce Kirk said the university had spent significant resources on accommodating Muslim needs.

"RMIT University respects the rights of its students and staff to practise their chosen religions, and provides space for them to do so," Prof Kirk said.

"RMIT offers five Muslim-friendly prayer rooms on its Victorian campuses, two in the city, two in Bundoora and one in Brunswick."

She said the new spiritual centre in the city was specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces.
She said several rooms were reserved for Muslims at specified times but conceded they could be booked by other faiths during other periods.

She rejected suggestions the university was in any way discriminating against Muslims.

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