Muslims Demand Own Prayer Room At University

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678505' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:51 PM']I don't have a problem with Muslims or anyone else having their genders seperated. My issue is with Muslims DEMANDING, time and time again, to receive special treatment above and beyond concessions already graciously made on their behalf--and then crying "discrimation", "bigotry", "racism" and "stressed" when they don't get it.[/quote]

Except not ALL Muslims do this. That is the point.

"My Uncle likes batmitten"
Is a perfectly fine observation

"Jews like batmitten"
is takeing a true observation, and turning it into a stearotype.

You must be able to see a distinction here.

EDIT: My uncle is Jewish, to make that clear for the analogy

Edited October 16, 2008 by Hassan

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678503' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:51 PM']Yourself included? Because I was being sarcastic. [/quote]

I can identify sarcasm. Possibly you can't.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678506' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:52 PM']The text below is quoted. Sources:
[url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php[/url]

Australia: University's interfaith prayer facilities not good enough; Muslims want their own area:

This university has already bent over backwards for religious accommodations. But why let them stop now, when there are other demands to be made? "Muslim students protest about prayer room at RMIT," by Mark Dunn the Herald Sun, October 14 (thanks to Kyros):

Up to 1000 Muslim students at RMIT are protesting against sharing a multi-faith prayer room with Christians, Jews and worshippers of other faiths.

RMIT Islamic Society vice-president Mohamed Elrafihi said the university had promised Muslim students their own prayer room at the Swanston St campus.

Five refurbished multi-faith prayer rooms -- including a foot-wash room for Muslims and a prayer room with Arabic signs and oriented towards Mecca -- were opened to students earlier this year.

But Mr Elrafihi said the Islamic-themed prayer room can be booked by other religions, which would interrupt evening Muslim prayer times.

Islamic students have refused to use the new facilities, insisting one room be dedicated for use by Muslims.

"We have nothing against multi-faith, we support multi-faith," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said RMIT had misled international students in previous promotions about Muslim prayer facilities.

"The Muslims were promised a dedicated room and that was taken from them. That has caused a lot of stress," Mr Elrafihi said.

While refusing to use the new prayer facilities for the past eight months, up to 600 Muslim students have been worshipping outdoors each Friday in nearby Bowen St, or on other days on the lawns outside RMIT's prayer halls in part of the old Melbourne jail.

"There has been days when it has been raining, hail and thunder," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said Muslim students had nothing against other faiths.

But he said Jews, Christians and other religions using the centre were small in number and did not need their own dedicated facilities.

He explained that the Muslims were supported by Christian, Jewish and student union groups at the university.

RMIT Vice-Chancellor Professor Joyce Kirk said the university had spent significant resources on accommodating Muslim needs.

"RMIT University respects the rights of its students and staff to practise their chosen religions, and provides space for them to do so," Prof Kirk said.

"RMIT offers five Muslim-friendly prayer rooms on its Victorian campuses, two in the city, two in Bundoora and one in Brunswick."

She said the new spiritual centre in the city was specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces.
She said several rooms were reserved for Muslims at specified times but conceded they could be booked by other faiths during other periods.

She rejected suggestions the university was in any way discriminating against Muslims.

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Funny, how I was commenting on your ignoring of certain people on the message board, and you quote a big ol' article that has nothing to do with ignoring people. Perhaps you need a bit of reading comprehension...

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678510' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:56 PM']Funny, how I was commenting on your ignoring of certain people on the message board, and you quote a big ol' article that has nothing to do with ignoring people. Perhaps you need a bit of reading comprehension...[/quote]

Oh sweetheart, sweetheart, sweetheart.

The reason why she's posting her article is because you're not contributing anything useful. And she's trying to adjust the conversation back on topic so it's worthwhile of her time.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678505' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:51 PM']I don't have a problem with Muslims or anyone else having their genders seperated. My issue is with Muslims DEMANDING, time and time again, to receive special treatment above and beyond concessions already graciously made on their behalf--and then crying "discrimation", "bigotry", "racism" and "stressed" when they don't get it.[/quote]

And us being a politically correct country afraid to offend, they get what they want.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678513' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:58 PM']Oh sweetheart, sweetheart, sweetheart.

The reason why she's posting her article is because you're not contributing anything useful. And she's trying to adjust the conversation back on topic so it's worthwhile of her time.[/quote]

She quoted a different article from the origional I believe, which does not line up with your explination.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678514' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:00 PM']And us being a politically correct country afraid to offend, they get what they want.[/quote]


I thought the University turned them down.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678513' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:58 PM']Oh sweetheart, sweetheart, sweetheart.

The reason why she's posting her article is because you're not contributing anything useful. And she's trying to adjust the conversation back on topic so it's worthwhile of her time.[/quote]

Don't call me sweetheart.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678510' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:56 PM']Funny, how I was commenting on your ignoring of certain people on the message board, and you quote a big ol' article that has nothing to do with ignoring people. Perhaps you need a bit of reading comprehension...[/quote]


The text below is quoted. Sources:
[url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php[/url]

Australia: University's interfaith prayer facilities not good enough; Muslims want their own area:

This university has already bent over backwards for religious accommodations. But why let them stop now, when there are other demands to be made? "Muslim students protest about prayer room at RMIT," by Mark Dunn the Herald Sun, October 14 (thanks to Kyros):

Up to 1000 Muslim students at RMIT are protesting against sharing a multi-faith prayer room with Christians, Jews and worshippers of other faiths.

RMIT Islamic Society vice-president Mohamed Elrafihi said the university had promised Muslim students their own prayer room at the Swanston St campus.

Five refurbished multi-faith prayer rooms -- including a foot-wash room for Muslims and a prayer room with Arabic signs and oriented towards Mecca -- were opened to students earlier this year.

But Mr Elrafihi said the Islamic-themed prayer room can be booked by other religions, which would interrupt evening Muslim prayer times.

Islamic students have refused to use the new facilities, insisting one room be dedicated for use by Muslims.

"We have nothing against multi-faith, we support multi-faith," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said RMIT had misled international students in previous promotions about Muslim prayer facilities.

"The Muslims were promised a dedicated room and that was taken from them. That has caused a lot of stress," Mr Elrafihi said.

While refusing to use the new prayer facilities for the past eight months, up to 600 Muslim students have been worshipping outdoors each Friday in nearby Bowen St, or on other days on the lawns outside RMIT's prayer halls in part of the old Melbourne jail.

"There has been days when it has been raining, hail and thunder," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said Muslim students had nothing against other faiths.

But he said Jews, Christians and other religions using the centre were small in number and did not need their own dedicated facilities.

He explained that the Muslims were supported by Christian, Jewish and student union groups at the university.

RMIT Vice-Chancellor Professor Joyce Kirk said the university had spent significant resources on accommodating Muslim needs.

"RMIT University respects the rights of its students and staff to practise their chosen religions, and provides space for them to do so," Prof Kirk said.

"RMIT offers five Muslim-friendly prayer rooms on its Victorian campuses, two in the city, two in Bundoora and one in Brunswick."

She said the new spiritual centre in the city was specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces.
She said several rooms were reserved for Muslims at specified times but conceded they could be booked by other faiths during other periods.

She rejected suggestions the university was in any way discriminating against Muslims.

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[Hassan]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678517' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:02 PM']Don't call me sweetheart.[/quote]


so I guess "sugar muffin" is out the window ?

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678513' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:58 PM']Oh sweetheart, sweetheart, sweetheart.

The reason why she's posting her article is because you're not contributing anything useful. And she's trying to adjust the conversation back on topic so it's worthwhile of her time.[/quote]

It was you and your friend who brought up putting people on ignore, then in a moronic fashion, speculating on what they had to say, instead of actually reading their posts.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1678513' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:58 PM']Oh sweetheart, sweetheart, sweetheart.

The reason why she's posting her article is because you're not contributing anything useful. And she's trying to adjust the conversation back on topic so it's worthwhile of her time.[/quote]


Perfect.

And it's really, really sad that you had to explain that. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being completely serious.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1678519' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:03 PM']so I guess "sugar muffin" is out the window ?

[/quote]

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678520' date='Oct 15 2008, 10:03 PM']It was you and your friend who brought up putting people on ignore, then in a moronic fashion, speculating on what they had to say, instead of actually reading their posts.[/quote]


The text below is quoted. Sources:
[url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php[/url]

Australia: University's interfaith prayer facilities not good enough; Muslims want their own area:

This university has already bent over backwards for religious accommodations. But why let them stop now, when there are other demands to be made? "Muslim students protest about prayer room at RMIT," by Mark Dunn the Herald Sun, October 14 (thanks to Kyros):

Up to 1000 Muslim students at RMIT are protesting against sharing a multi-faith prayer room with Christians, Jews and worshippers of other faiths.

RMIT Islamic Society vice-president Mohamed Elrafihi said the university had promised Muslim students their own prayer room at the Swanston St campus.

Five refurbished multi-faith prayer rooms -- including a foot-wash room for Muslims and a prayer room with Arabic signs and oriented towards Mecca -- were opened to students earlier this year.

But Mr Elrafihi said the Islamic-themed prayer room can be booked by other religions, which would interrupt evening Muslim prayer times.

Islamic students have refused to use the new facilities, insisting one room be dedicated for use by Muslims.

"We have nothing against multi-faith, we support multi-faith," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said RMIT had misled international students in previous promotions about Muslim prayer facilities.

"The Muslims were promised a dedicated room and that was taken from them. That has caused a lot of stress," Mr Elrafihi said.

While refusing to use the new prayer facilities for the past eight months, up to 600 Muslim students have been worshipping outdoors each Friday in nearby Bowen St, or on other days on the lawns outside RMIT's prayer halls in part of the old Melbourne jail.

"There has been days when it has been raining, hail and thunder," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said Muslim students had nothing against other faiths.

But he said Jews, Christians and other religions using the centre were small in number and did not need their own dedicated facilities.

He explained that the Muslims were supported by Christian, Jewish and student union groups at the university.

RMIT Vice-Chancellor Professor Joyce Kirk said the university had spent significant resources on accommodating Muslim needs.

"RMIT University respects the rights of its students and staff to practise their chosen religions, and provides space for them to do so," Prof Kirk said.

"RMIT offers five Muslim-friendly prayer rooms on its Victorian campuses, two in the city, two in Bundoora and one in Brunswick."

She said the new spiritual centre in the city was specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces.
She said several rooms were reserved for Muslims at specified times but conceded they could be booked by other faiths during other periods.

She rejected suggestions the university was in any way discriminating against Muslims.

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[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678517' date='Oct 15 2008, 10:02 PM']Don't call me sweetheart.[/quote]


The text below is quoted. Sources:
[url="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...94-2862,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php"]http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023098.php[/url]

Australia: University's interfaith prayer facilities not good enough; Muslims want their own area:

This university has already bent over backwards for religious accommodations. But why let them stop now, when there are other demands to be made? "Muslim students protest about prayer room at RMIT," by Mark Dunn the Herald Sun, October 14 (thanks to Kyros):

Up to 1000 Muslim students at RMIT are protesting against sharing a multi-faith prayer room with Christians, Jews and worshippers of other faiths.

RMIT Islamic Society vice-president Mohamed Elrafihi said the university had promised Muslim students their own prayer room at the Swanston St campus.

Five refurbished multi-faith prayer rooms -- including a foot-wash room for Muslims and a prayer room with Arabic signs and oriented towards Mecca -- were opened to students earlier this year.

But Mr Elrafihi said the Islamic-themed prayer room can be booked by other religions, which would interrupt evening Muslim prayer times.

Islamic students have refused to use the new facilities, insisting one room be dedicated for use by Muslims.

"We have nothing against multi-faith, we support multi-faith," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said RMIT had misled international students in previous promotions about Muslim prayer facilities.

"The Muslims were promised a dedicated room and that was taken from them. That has caused a lot of stress," Mr Elrafihi said.

While refusing to use the new prayer facilities for the past eight months, up to 600 Muslim students have been worshipping outdoors each Friday in nearby Bowen St, or on other days on the lawns outside RMIT's prayer halls in part of the old Melbourne jail.

"There has been days when it has been raining, hail and thunder," Mr Elrafihi said.
He said Muslim students had nothing against other faiths.

But he said Jews, Christians and other religions using the centre were small in number and did not need their own dedicated facilities.

He explained that the Muslims were supported by Christian, Jewish and student union groups at the university.

RMIT Vice-Chancellor Professor Joyce Kirk said the university had spent significant resources on accommodating Muslim needs.

"RMIT University respects the rights of its students and staff to practise their chosen religions, and provides space for them to do so," Prof Kirk said.

"RMIT offers five Muslim-friendly prayer rooms on its Victorian campuses, two in the city, two in Bundoora and one in Brunswick."

She said the new spiritual centre in the city was specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces.
She said several rooms were reserved for Muslims at specified times but conceded they could be booked by other faiths during other periods.

She rejected suggestions the university was in any way discriminating against Muslims.

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[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678521' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:03 PM']Perfect.

And it's really, really sad that you had to explain that. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being completely serious.[/quote]

I am trying to discuss it with you. you would know this if you actually read what I said rather than speculating on it with HCF

Kind of Ironic actually

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1678521' date='Oct 15 2008, 08:03 PM']Perfect.

And it's really, really sad that you had to explain that. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being completely serious.[/quote]

Nobody had to explain anything to me.

It's sad that you are so absorbed in your own little world that a discussion has to revolve around you, and you mindlessly quote whole articles in response to things not said.

[Hassan]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678522' date='Oct 15 2008, 10:04 PM'][/quote]

[T-Bone _]

MV:

Why don't you address what I say instead of mindlessly quoting your article?

Or do you have no response to how immature you're being?

[Hassan]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1678531' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:07 PM']MV:

Why don't you address what I say instead of mindlessly quoting your article?

Or do you have no response to how immature you're being?[/quote]

I really don't know if it's worth the effort