Will We Ever Learn?

[princessgianna]

[quote]Once upon a time there was a young charismatic and eloquent young man who decided his nation was in need of change and he was the one to implement it.
The people were receptive and ready for a change. He spoke passionately when denouncing the existing system, and the media loved him. Nobody questioned what he believed in, or whom his friends were. He said he would help the poor and bring free medical care and education to all.

He would bring justice and equality. He said, "I am for hope and change and I will bring you both."

Nobody bothered to ask about the change, so by the time the executioners guns went silent, all personal firearms had been confiscated. When everyone was finally equal, they were all equally poor, hungry and miserable. Their free education was worthless, for when the change was fully implemented the country had been reduced to a Third World status.

More than a million people fled in small boats and rafts. The charismatic young man was Fidel Castro; the nation, Cuba.

The citizens of the United States would never fall for a charismatic, eloquent young man who promises hope and change without asking, "What change, and how much will it cost us?"

Or would we?[/quote]

thought this was interesting.

Any thoughts?

[Saint Therese]

You could also say the same things about Hitler.
And no, we won't learn.

[dominicansoul]

it just goes to prove people are suckers for anything...


...when all the celebrity worship dies down, what will history really say about Obama?

[princessgianna]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1697282' date='Nov 7 2008, 09:26 PM']You could also say the same things about Hitler.
And no, we won't learn.[/quote]
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I went to Science on Thursday it was just about starting when my friend runs in and says excitedly
"We don't need Jesus we have Obama"

then she went around doing high fives with everyone!

Edited November 8, 2008 by princessgianna

[BG45]

Hmm Castro...the man that we welcomed to New York City with a parade meant for a hero. Then we made him cranky after disagreeing with us and he ran to the Soviets...and then we placed sanctions which still exist today and don't hurt the Communist Party elite, but the normal civilian populace.

[jkaands]

[quote name='princessgianna' post='1697285' date='Nov 7 2008, 08:28 PM']yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I went to Science on Thursday it was just about starting when my friend runs in and says excitedly
"We don't need Jesus we have Obama"

then she went around doing high fives with everyone! [/quote]

Mebbe she was trying to offend you?

[Saint Therese]

Actually, to me, the similaritites between Hitler and O'bama are striking.
Of course, I'm not criticizing Dear Leader. My, no. Dear Leader, we love you.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='BG45' post='1697288' date='Nov 7 2008, 09:31 PM']Hmm Castro...the man that we welcomed to New York City with a parade meant for a hero. Then we made him cranky after disagreeing with us and he ran to the Soviets...and then we placed sanctions which still exist today and don't hurt the Communist Party elite, but the normal civilian populace.[/quote]


yeah, we never learn do we? we've done even more now for Obama...(more than just a new york city parade...)

and yeah, we should be blamed for those poor civilians under Communist rule in Cuba...

America is always to blame...

[princessgianna]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1697289' date='Nov 7 2008, 09:32 PM']Mebbe she was trying to offend you?[/quote]
nope I know this girl,she is a very good deep Christian. she was trying to make light of what happened. frankly i ve been doing that too, because we all love our dear leader Obama

[CatherineM]

Castro likes baseball, so he isn't all bad.

I was giving a radio interview here this summer on a Aboriginal station, and he was very excited about Obama and asked me about him. I stuttered for a minute, and said that I'm all for change, but I kind of want to know what changes he wants to make. Change for change sake isn't always good. He didn't get it.

[BG45]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1697293' date='Nov 7 2008, 10:35 PM']yeah, we never learn do we? we've done even more now for Obama...(more than just a new york city parade...)

and yeah, we should be blamed for those poor civilians under Communist rule in Cuba...

America is always to blame...[/quote]

Please cease attacking my Patriotism. I did not claim America is always to blame, nor did I specifically say we are to blame for civilians under Communist rule in Cuba.

I said our sanctions tend to harm the civilian populace rather than the Communist elite. I thought that was self explanatory, but since it isn't...the Communist elite in the oligarchy of the (now Raul) Castro regime hordes the food, medicine, etc. for Communist party members first, and effectively gives scraps to the civilians. Other nations do trade with Cuba, despite our embargo, and it is primarily those nations (and a huge amount of Cuban refugees in the USA sending money home) that keep the Cuban people as relatively comfortable as they are. That said, comfort is relative; it's a pauper's life compared to even many minimum wage Americans.

Cuba and the USA have a number of agreements as well, despite the fact we invaded their nation with exiles once (The Bay of Pigs Incident), despite the fact we have sanctions upon them, and despite the fact we have threatened before to blow them to pieces (although who wouldn't be afraid of nukes on the doorstep of Florida). One such agreement is the policy that if a Cuban can get off the island to the USA, they are free to not be deported back. Another, more infamous agreement, is our base at Guantonomo Bay; we pay the Cuban government that we have an embargo against, rent money.

[CatherineM]

We pay them the money, but they don't cash the checks.

[BG45]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1697326' date='Nov 7 2008, 10:54 PM']We pay them the money, but they don't cash the checks.[/quote]

Though if they did, how would we redistribute the wealth?

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1697297' date='Nov 7 2008, 10:39 PM']Castro likes baseball, so he isn't all bad.[/quote]

I wouldn't say an appreciation for baseball exactly redeems him, either. After all, Kim Jong Il likes Sean Connery movies.

[Hassan]

[quote name='princessgianna' post='1697281' date='Nov 7 2008, 10:25 PM']thought this was interesting.

Any thoughts?[/quote]


It was interesting in its tortured attempt to make the Cuban revolution analgous to the Presidential election.

[philothea]

I'm really, really confounded by all these comparisons to Hitler and now Castro. Obama's a liberal American president, elected through normal means. Nothing particularly unusual except that instead of voting for him because they dislike the other guy, some people actually [i]like[/i] Obama. (Yes, that's rare in a politician, but it happens occasionally.)

Where are you guys getting these ideas? Do you really imagine he's going to overthrow the constitution, destroy the USA, and/or start a major world war? Why?

As the culture of the US gets more secular and amoral, the laws and leaders will reflect that. It's a democracy. Majority rule. That's what happens. Nothing especially sinister about it... except that we're no longer a Christian culture.

[Saint Therese]

I'm getting these ideas because I'm a student of history.
Hitler was elected by people who didn't care about what he stood for. He was very charismatic and promised hope and change, and relief from a severe economic crisis.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1697360' date='Nov 7 2008, 09:19 PM']I'm getting these ideas because I'm a student of history.
Hitler was elected by people who didn't care about what he stood for. He was very charismatic and promised hope and change, and relief from a severe economic crisis.[/quote]
Did you know the pagan god Mithras had a following of 12 apostles? Mithraism also had baptism, a breaking of the bread ceremony, and was symbolized by the lamb. Obviously, Christianity borrowed from Mithraism.

Or, they didn't. My point? Your "comparisons" are all based on semantics. True, Mithraism had things that resemble Christian practices, however, the only real similarities are the fact that if you put Christian names on them, they seem similar. Other than that, they are not.

You're using buzz words from this election and painting them to Hitler in order to make it seem like they are alike. The problem? They're not. Hitler was a far right dictator. Obama was elected through legitimate elections and has no intention of overthrowing democracy.

Sorry, better luck next time.

[Excelsior1027]

When will this board finally be closed?

Those who don't have a problem with Obama and his policies have made it clear they won't be convinced otherwise by way of argument. That's when we should resort to prayer.

The rest of this is just preaching to the choir.

Honestly, it's all getting old.

Edited November 8, 2008 by Excelsior1027

[Justin86]

[quote name='philothea' post='1697357' date='Nov 8 2008, 12:17 PM']I'm really, really confounded by all these comparisons to Hitler and now Castro. Obama's a liberal American president, elected through normal means. Nothing particularly unusual except that instead of voting for him because they dislike the other guy, some people actually [i]like[/i] Obama. (Yes, that's rare in a politician, but it happens occasionally.)

Where are you guys getting these ideas? Do you really imagine he's going to overthrow the constitution, destroy the USA, and/or start a major world war? Why?

As the culture of the US gets more secular and amoral, the laws and leaders will reflect that. It's a democracy. Majority rule. That's what happens. Nothing especially sinister about it... except that we're no longer a Christian culture. [/quote]
It's all the comparisons of Obama to Jesus. I mean, "We don't need Jesus, we have Obama." Oh, and of course, "Obama is my Jesus." This is more than just liking a politician. I liked Bush, but I never compared him to Jesus, and never met anyone who did. What people do with Obama is more like worship. It's clearly insane, and possibly a sign that he's the Anti-Christ.