dairygirl4u2c Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 Just curious to see where this takes me. :ph34r:
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 As a big fan of St. Francis, I couldn't turn anyone out of my house.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 Um... are you asking if I'd kick my child out of the house? I'm a little confused about your question.
God Conquers Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 ya I agree... I'm not sure who would choose to abandon their child because of thosed reasons.
Gray Eminence Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 [i]Laudetur Jesus Christus.[/i] Of course, we’re always hoping that the child chooses to come into the house, doing everything possible to bring the child into the house, but also allowing the child the freedom to choose (God forbid) not to come into the house.
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 11, 2004 Author Posted March 11, 2004 If you told your child not to lustfully look at a man (or a woman) and she/he did, would you not allow them into your house?
Gray Eminence Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 [i]Laudetur Jesus Christus.[/i] Is the child really focusing on coming into the house or is the child really focusing on something else? [b]Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. [/b] Matthew 11:28-30
ironmonk Posted March 11, 2004 Posted March 11, 2004 This sounds like this is a defense of an ssa lifestyle. All who break God's laws are at risk of being in grave danger. Read Romans 1.... then read: [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html[/url] Those who love God try to live by His rules... we all slip sometimes, but there are circumstances that we put ourselves in that can send us to hell. There is a hell. Some people might go there. No one can accept breaking of the rules, even if the breaking of the rules are not deadly. If we love Christ, we keep His commandments. It is not a philosophical problem dairy. Why do you try to make things philosophical when the Church has the power to bind and release given to it by Christ Himself? It's black and white... there is no gray. Please, before responding, read this and the links and Romans 1, at least three times.... please try to understand this before you try to comment on it. Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 11 2004, 05:23 PM'] If you told your child not to lustfully look at a man (or a woman) and she/he did, would you not allow them into your house? [/quote] No, I would not refuse to allow my child into the house. I would encourage moral and chaste behavior, but I would not kick my child out.
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 12, 2004 Author Posted March 12, 2004 (edited) I agree that they are not saved if they sin in that they are living lies but... [quote]No, I would not refuse to allow my child into the house. I would encourage moral and chaste behavior, but I would not kick my child out. [/quote] Does that mean that souls in hell are not children of God? What makes one a child of God? Would you Ironmonk? Edited March 12, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c
foundsheep Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 No they are not children of God. At one time they where one of his miracles but denied him,therefore get to join Lucifer.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 Souls in Hell freely leave God and Heaven. If my child were to freely leave me and my home for a life of sin even though I had taught them right from wrong and tried to steer them on the path of good there is nothing more I can do but pray. Its not a proper comparison to contrast us and our children to God and souls in Hell. While our children are alive they still have every opportunity to repent, once you're in hell there's no turning back. They don't just "get to join Lucifer", they CHOOSE to join Lucifer. In denying God they have made their choice against Him.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 I was agreeing with you! I just thought I'd word it a little differently so dairygirl would see very clearly where you were coming from.
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 12, 2004 Author Posted March 12, 2004 So is your comparasion that God is calling them to come in and they are refusing? Or are you saying God is telling them that they can not go into the house? It's not really a big deal, but the way people look at the situation means a lot.
Aloysius Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 hmmm... God desires them all to come into His house, because He knows that outside that house their soul burns in His punishment. He's got a lil more power than an earthy father, when Lucifer rejected Him and threatened to get all of His children at the time (just angels at that point) to reject Him, God showed how powerful He really was and created that which lies outside of God's house to show His children how much He loved them by making things so good for them in Heaven. St. Michael, a child of God and also sort of the butler of His house, remained loyal to God and by the power of God kicked Lucifer out because Lucifer was trying to destroy the rest of His children and would not leave the house in peace. that's why hell exists, and all who follow satan's example are in the same position satan is. so: if we're playin with this metaphor, the only condition i would have to throw my kid out of the house is if he was trying to destroy and currupt the souls of my other children.
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 Um.... sort of a combination. God calls us, we either accept or refuse. While we are alive we have every opportunity to turn towards Him. Once we die we've made our beds and must lie in them. For those in Hell they have chosen to turn away from God so I guess you could say it would be like God saying "I'm sorry you can not enter Heaven" and those who are going to Hell replying with "Good, I don't want to be in your stinky old Heaven anyway." You can't just choose one of those options over the other because the first one applies more to this life and the other applies more to the afterlife (thats how I read the statements anyhow....).
littleflower+JMJ Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 diarygirl, some questions. do you believe in Hell? who goes there? and how do they get there? If not, why? And how did you come to the conclusion? God bless. again... [b]1033 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining seperated from him for ever by our own free choice.[/b]
photosynthesis Posted March 12, 2004 Posted March 12, 2004 (edited) [quote]If you told your child not to lustfully look at a man (or a woman) and she/he did, would you not allow them into your house?[/quote] no. There's this thing called unconditional love where you love someone despite their sins and shortcomings. I would try to show this kind of love to my child. Edited March 12, 2004 by photosynthesis
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