Unchaste Movies

[Resurrexi]

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[CatherineM]

Even if you don't think it is inherently sinful, it might not be such a great idea.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1709080' date='Nov 23 2008, 11:46 PM']Even if you don't think it is inherently sinful, it might not be such a great idea.[/quote]

What she said. I don't believe it to be objectively sinful, but it could definitely inspire sinful things.

[HisChildForever]

If it is your first time watching the movie and it happens to have a(n) (explicit) sex scene, and you never expected it, you're okay. But if you go back to see that movie because of the scene, there's something wrong. And yet if you go back to see the movie because you really enjoyed it and you don't care about the sex scene, you're fine.

[jeffpugh]

2,3,1. I was assuming the conditions you have an idea that these conditions are here. If not, culpability drops.

[CatherineM]

I always protected myself from those kind of scenes in movies. I either wouldn't watch them, or would turn my head, leave the room, fast forward, etc. I didn't think it was appropriate for an unmarried woman. Now that I'm an old married woman, when re-watching a movie with my husband that has a scene that I've never seen before, it's actually kind of funny. In some cases, it has made the movie make more sense to me now.

[Tinkerlina]

I think a lot depends on the context of the sexual/nude situations and their place in the plot, what the overall message is. But unfortunately, a lot of what we see in movies is completely unnecessary to the plot....-Katie

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1709106' date='Nov 23 2008, 11:06 PM']If it is your first time watching the movie and it happens to have a(n) (explicit) sex scene, and you never expected it, you're okay. But if you go back to see that movie because of the scene, there's something wrong. And yet if you go back to see the movie because you really enjoyed it and you don't care about the sex scene, you're fine.[/quote]

Pretty much my opinion as well.

[icelandic_iceskater]

venial
not objectively sinful
mortal

assuming you have full knowledge.

[LouisvilleFan]

Why is grave sin even an option?

Edited November 24, 2008 by LouisvilleFan

[Fidei Defensor]

Unless you're afraid seeing a naked person will burn your eyes out and rot you soul, no.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1709562' date='Nov 24 2008, 01:24 PM']Unless you're afraid seeing a naked person will burn your eyes out and rot you soul, no.[/quote]

didn't you know that baby tees and layers are objectively sinful anyway, too??????????

So.. heck... why should taking the "paint" off mater.

[TotusTuusMaria]

As far as the first two go, that we shouldn't be too flippant with what we allow ourselves to see and hear. As my godmother says, "Garbage in garbage out." If someone is constantly allowing themselves to hear "humorous" sexual references and so on then they have become numb or will become, without a miracle of protection from God, to those things.

I think also it is worded wrong. I think what might be an interesting question to ask is: Is watching a movie with sexual "humorous" references pure and chaste? Does it aid one in the struggle to achieve those virtues? Certainly not.

So, despite the fact that it is very possibly putting impure images and thoughts in your memory, it must for sure be a frivolous action to watch those movies and a waste of time.

Whether these things are sins really depends on the person and their conscience, but I don't see how someone with a well-formed conscience that is seriously struggling to be a saint (people like: Mother Teresa, John Paul II, Bl. Pier Frassati) can justify spending their time and subjecting their souls to the kinds of movies that we have out today which I think this post is referring too.

Christ wouldn't watch them. The saints wouldn't watch them. Our angels are probably frustrated and upset that they are subjected by us to the impurity of these movies.

And in the words of Casting Crowns, "It is a slow fade when black and white turns to gray."

I mean, the title of thread is: "Unchaste Movies." It looks like the conscience is already telling us that the movies are not for the good of our souls. [b]If it isn't a chaste movie then why spend time watching it? Is it a sin? I think so, especially if you already know what kind of movie it is. [/b]

Edited November 24, 2008 by TotusTuusMaria

[Slappo]

I voted 2-2-3.
Why not allow humor and bedroom scenes but allow nudity? I don't think the question gives a good enough context to say objectively sinful or not.

There is Catholic art that displays nudity such as the Sistine Chapel. The Mission, a movie about Jesuit missionaries has topless natives that are being evangelized, yet I would say it is a very uplifting and inspiring movie.

[Madame Vengier]

I voted no on all three.

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

I think that there are some movies which are objectionably mortally sinful (ie American Pie).

I think that there are some movies that have nudity in order to send some message, which may be very positive.

I have seen some movies with an implied sexual encounter, only to show negative consequences of the bedroom scene or whatever. Sometimes you can use a negative situation to show something true.

Besides if everything was nice and perfect, without any mistakes or mess, than i guess we could make movies that deal with that reality. As it is, we have to face the darkness, to overcome it with light.

shalom
bro mark

[tinytherese]

There's an article from a catholic film critic that addresses such concerns that may of interest to the phamily. [url="http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/articles/criticism.html"]http://www.decentfilms.com/sections/articles/criticism.html[/url]

[Ash Wednesday]

I couldn't really answer any of these questions because I find them to be too generalized and vague.

Movies with scenes dealing with nudity or sexuality covers a pretty broad spectrum. The reason you are watching the movie would also determine to what extent something is sinful. The subject matter of the film might also be a factor, along with how gratuitous the sex and nudity is.

Watching a European film set in World War II with incidental bits of nudity is not the same as watching a porno. And yet both fall under the category of "movies with nudity of the opposite sex in them."

Edited November 26, 2008 by Ash Wednesday

[fides quarens intellectum]

i voted:
1. venial
2. no (although i'm still thinking about this one)
3. no because i think that one's more subjective to the context of the film

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1709106' date='Nov 23 2008, 10:06 PM']If it is your first time watching the movie and it happens to have a(n) (explicit) sex scene, and you never expected it, you're okay. But if you go back to see that movie because of the scene, there's something wrong. And yet if you go back to see the movie because you really enjoyed it and you don't care about the sex scene, you're fine.[/quote]

i'm having a problem with your third claim, that if you go back and see a movie you know has objectionable/morally offensive content "you're fine."

i had the great misfortune of having to watch "Forgetting Sarah Marshal" with a friend (i had no clue about the movie - won't make that mistake again) - to me, that movie is an example for the first survey question with its "strong and frequent sexual references and humor." Why any practicing Christian striving for holiness would go back and watch it because they "really enjoyed it" would be beyond my limited understanding.

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1709638' date='Nov 24 2008, 12:13 PM']As far as the first two go, that we shouldn't be too flippant with what we allow ourselves to see and hear. As my godmother says, "Garbage in garbage out." If someone is constantly allowing themselves to hear "humorous" sexual references and so on then they have become numb or will become, without a miracle of protection from God, to those things.

I think also it is worded wrong. I think what might be an interesting question to ask is: Is watching a movie with sexual "humorous" references pure and chaste? Does it aid one in the struggle to achieve those virtues? Certainly not.

So, despite the fact that it is very possibly putting impure images and thoughts in your memory, it must for sure be a frivolous action to watch those movies and a waste of time.

Whether these things are sins really depends on the person and their conscience, but I don't see how someone with a well-formed conscience that is seriously struggling to be a saint (people like: Mother Teresa, John Paul II, Bl. Pier Frassati) can justify spending their time and subjecting their souls to the kinds of movies that we have out today which I think this post is referring too.

Christ wouldn't watch them. The saints wouldn't watch them. Our angels are probably frustrated and upset that they are subjected by us to the impurity of these movies.

And in the words of Casting Crowns, "It is a slow fade when black and white turns to gray."

I mean, the title of thread is: "Unchaste Movies." It looks like the conscience is already telling us that the movies are not for the good of our souls. If it isn't a chaste movie then why spend time watching it? Is it a sin? I think so, especially if you already know what kind of movie it is.[/quote]

Nice post.

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='MC IMaGiNaZUN' post='1710174' date='Nov 24 2008, 11:08 PM']Besides if everything was nice and perfect, without any mistakes or mess, than i guess we could make movies that deal with that reality. As it is, we have to face the darkness, to overcome it with light.

shalom
bro mark[/quote]

I totally agree. If something is about real lives and situations, sometimes you need to show some of the grit to present the story honestly. That said, I could be more cautious about what I allow myself to watch. -Katie