Unchaste Movies

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1709573' date='Nov 24 2008, 01:27 PM']didn't you know that baby tees and layers are objectively sinful anyway, too??????????

So.. heck... why should taking the "paint" off mater.


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LOL Katie

[chloeaustyn]

Personally I always like to check what the Bishops have to say on their movie review site, or at least Pluggedinonline before I watch a movie... as JPII said about pornography, it's not that they show too much, it's that they don't show enough. We've totally separated the body from the soul and failed to see the true dignity of the person.. oftentimes subconsciously because we're taught that's what is holy, from people who haven't tapped into the fullness of the truth that the Church already knows and has stored if you just have the courage to search.

Not just because our eyes saw something is it a sin... it's the reaction of our hearts. Our hearts should break with compassion for the body that is being objectified, not automatically scoff and cover it up as disgusting, as is so easy to do. And if it's not being objectified, but instead being shown with dignity and glory for God, then we should give Him glory and praise for such a beautiful creation.. the kicker is that I've never really seen a movie that did that, so it's probably safer to err on the side of "no thanks".

And crude humor, well.. those jokes can never be justified.

Just my little two-cents...

[CSLF]

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1709573' date='Nov 24 2008, 01:27 PM']didn't you know that baby tees and layers are objectively sinful anyway, too??????????

So.. heck... why should taking the "paint" off mater.


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How can clothes be objectively sinful? They are inanimate objects. Even the phrase "taking the "paint" off" makes it subjective.

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='CSLF' post='1712641' date='Nov 28 2008, 03:11 AM']How can clothes be objectively sinful? They are inanimate objects. Even the phrase "taking the "paint" off" makes it subjective.[/quote]

Pattie, I'm pretty sure this is you-FYI she was being sarcastic re: The shoulders/modesty thread Your favorite sister, Katie

[CSLF]

[quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1712687' date='Nov 28 2008, 10:32 AM']Pattie, I'm pretty sure this is you-FYI she was being sarcastic re: The shoulders/modesty thread Your favorite sister, Katie[/quote]

Ah, sorry! Found that post, so... I'll turn my sense of humor on now...

[dominicansoul]

i know that unchaste movies have helped form our consciences in a way to the point that nothing really shocks us anymore...

the portrayal of adulterous relationships, divorces, sex out side of marriage in a movie has dulled our senses in a way that we see real life

some of us even love movies that suposedly show "romance" when these so-called "love" stories show nothing but lustful relationships...

and we are convinced to believe they are portrayals of love...

[tinytherese]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1716573' date='Dec 2 2008, 12:11 PM']i know that unchaste movies have helped form our consciences in a way to the point that nothing really shocks us anymore...

the portrayal of adulterous relationships, divorces, sex out side of marriage in a movie has dulled our senses in a way that we see real life

some of us even love movies that suposedly show "romance" when these so-called "love" stories show nothing but lustful relationships...

and we are convinced to believe they are portrayals of love...[/quote]

So sad that movies like Titanic and The Notebook are regarded as such iconic "love" stories in the movie world. There are plenty of good actual love stories like Jane Austen flicks (but not that newer Becoming Jane one,) Ever After, The Princess Bride, Shadowlands, and A Walk to Remember.

[cheryl]

[quote name='tinytherese' post='1716735' date='Dec 2 2008, 06:21 PM']So sad that movies like Titanic and The Notebook are regarded as such iconic "love" stories in the movie world. There are plenty of good actual love stories like Jane Austen flicks (but not that newer Becoming Jane one,) Ever After, The Princess Bride, Shadowlands, and A Walk to Remember.[/quote]

When Titanic first came out, I thought, "Wow, that was awesome". But now, find both movies bothersome. Rose and Allie, were both engaged to other men at the time they had sex with Jack and Noah respectively. Allie's fiancee was an overall good guy and didn't deserve that at all. And even though Cal was a jerk, Rose should have ended the relationship first (I don't buy the whole, "she was trapped" thing). She did not exhibit the signs of an abused woman, but often snapped back at Cal, when irritated and even at times egged him on, for example, after she had Jack sketch her naked, she placed the sketch in Cal's safe, along with a note that read "Now you can keep us both lock in your safe". I mean...that is just...wow! As an historical buff, I do have to add that her attitude and rebelliousness as well as the perspective of some around her, ie Molly Brown's, "Are you going to cut her meat for her too Cal." when Cal ordered for Rose, was not fitting for 1912. Remember, Cal's sarcastic comment, "I guess I'll have to mind what she reads from now on, Mrs. Brown", when Rose brought up Dr. Freud. The fact that she had access to such reading material, smoked, drink and could dance as well as any third class irish gentleman, shows me that she was not suppressed. Titanic was a great movie for the costumes, the story of the Ship itself and numerous other things. Even using "one couple" instead of focusing on a whole slew of them, to bring the viewer into the story, is commendable. And Jack and Rose's love, for what it was, was beautiful. But surely J. Cameron could have created an equally powerful love story with Jack as her husband, or Cal as a honorable husband-to-be, without making Rose into "a spoiled brat" (Jack's words) ect. Despite all it's historical accuracy, Rose herself had a very modern sensibility. Even her clothing was untypical of a girl who is suppose to be just 17. As nasty as Cal was and as subjectively self-centered the following comment was, objectively speaking, he was right when he said, at breakfast, "You are my wife in practice if not yet by law, so you will honor me....you will honor me the way a wife is required to honor her husband...I will not be made a fool of Rose".

[cheryl]

I voted, " no it is not objectively sinful" on all three. An example that comes immediately to mind, is a person watching the movie, so as to give an accurate review. I mean, someone's gotta be watching all these movies that are being given the thumbs down on Christian movie review websites and in articles. Now, whether or not the movies themselves are objectively sinful, ie whether they should be produced and publicized at all, is another question.

[tinytherese]

[quote name='cheryl' post='1717618' date='Dec 3 2008, 04:08 PM']As nasty as Cal was and as subjectively self-centered the following comment was, objectively speaking, he was right when he said, at breakfast, "You are my wife in practice if not yet by law, so you will honor me....you will honor me the way a wife is required to honor her husband...I will not be made a fool of Rose".[/quote]

I thought so too. That part was twisted.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Slappo' post='1709781' date='Nov 24 2008, 02:30 PM']I voted 2-2-3.
Why not allow humor and bedroom scenes but allow nudity? I don't think the question gives a good enough context to say objectively sinful or not.

There is Catholic art that displays nudity such as the Sistine Chapel. The Mission, a movie about Jesuit missionaries has topless natives that are being evangelized, yet I would say it is a very uplifting and inspiring movie.[/quote]

According to moral theology, the breasts of a woman are not considered private, but semi-private parts of the body, and to commit a grave sin by looking at the semi-private parts of the opposite sex one would have to look at them for a good length of time (without necessity, of course). Thus, I would not consider them nudity any more than I would consider the arms and legs (which are also semi-private parts) nudity.

And though I find the paintings in the Sistine Chapel beautiful and moving, one can commit a grave sin by looking at nudes in art if one stares intently at the depictions of the genitals (this is also from a Catholic moral theology book with an imprimatur). However, I think that nudity in movies and photos is much different than nudity (and by that I mean private, and not semi-private parts) in art as it is basically like really seeing it in real life.

Edited December 4, 2008 by Resurrexi

[Jesus_lol]

thankfully the only part of Titanic i ever saw or had any desire to see was the ship sinking scene.
and not cause i dislike "unchaste" movies, many of my favourite movies are unchaste, but cause titanic is LAME!

ever after, walk to remember(a bit cheesey) and especially The Princess Bride were completely awesome movies, though!


oddly enough, if you want a "chaste" movie, the second Conan movie "conan the destroyer" has absolutely no sex scenes (unlike the first movie ) and also happens to be sweet to watch!

[havok579257]

The question I have is not a generalized thing, but more of a single person. The question is, is nudity always a sin or is it only a sin if it brings with it lust for the individual. Meaning if someone watches a movie with nudity in it, looks at art with nudity in it, reads a magazine with it in it, but the person is not lusting after said image, is it a sin? Is nudity always a sin, or is it only a sin when it brings with it lust for the individual?

[Augustine]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria']I think also it is worded wrong. I think what might be an interesting question to ask is: Is watching a movie with sexual "humorous" references pure and chaste? Does it aid one in the struggle to achieve those virtues? Certainly not.[/quote]
[size=3]That is true! When we love God with our whole hearts we only have room for the things that help us to love Him and our fellow man more. I answered "no" on all three: none of these things I believe are morally wrong, at least in terms of just watching them, but we should always be careful. [/size]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria']I mean, the title of thread is: "Unchaste Movies." It looks like the conscience is already telling us that the movies are not for the good of our souls. [b]If it isn't a chaste movie then why spend time watching it? Is it a sin? I think so, especially if you already know what kind of movie it is.[/b][/quote]
[size=3]I do have a small problem with this statement. Just because we are wary of doing something does not mean the holy Spirit is telling us not to do it. There are many factors, like society, and ignorance, that may lead our hearts astray from what our conscience is truly telling us. I bring this up because you are not the only person I have heard say this. I have read it in a few religious book as well.

Christ said his yoke was easy and his burden light. I see many -- far too many -- Christians loosing the fight because they are wrestling with phantom devils. A poem comes to mind by [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42873250@N00/3024383820/"]William Watson[/url]:

"Shall we perturb and vex our soul
For "wrongs" which no true freedom mar,
Which no man's upright walk control,
And from no guiltless deed debar?
What odds though tonguesters heal, or leave
Unhealed, the grievance they invent?
To things, not phantoms, let us cleave--
The things that are more excellent."

In times of doubt, let the love and freedom of God guide you![/size]

[quote]But if you go back to see that movie because of the scene, there's something wrong.[/quote]
[size=3]I almost forgot... Something may be wrong, but it may not be sinful. We live in a fallen world... There is so little intimacy between people now, so little love. Also, our culture does not often show how a person should act. Sometimes people who truly want to do good do not know how to express their feelings in a good, healthy, appropriate way. So I would not condemn even someone who went to those scenes again. Perhaps they just want to soak up the intimacy in them. It is sad, but there is much sadness in this world. Even though we are Christians that does not mean we will always know how to act.[/size]

Edited December 12, 2008 by Augustine

[Jesus_lol]

nice post ^ but please dont use the larger font size, its like using all caps, very annoying.

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

You know what, there are not really any chaste movies out there?
it is one thing to not show or portray sex scenes, or to imply a sex scene (although it is not condoned). Whatever.

Point being, there are no movies that actually deal with and/or promote the Catholic Church's teaching on chastity...