U S Healthcare Needs Fixed!

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It’s not perfect but, it is this best the world has ever known. Poor people are cared for too. The notion that uninsured are thrown out in the street is idiotic.

How can the government sustain the burden of bailing out the banks, car manufactures, newspapers, health care, anything and everything, or provide free college (that's next), you might as well provide free food, using the same logic because no one should go hungry...

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='apparently' post='1742387' date='Jan 3 2009, 07:58 PM']It’s not perfect but, it is this best the world has ever known. Poor people are cared for too. The notion that uninsured are thrown out in the street is idiotic.[/quote]
They certainly aren't thrown out in California.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='apparently' post='1742387' date='Jan 3 2009, 10:58 PM']It’s not perfect but, it is this best the world has ever known. Poor people are cared for too. The notion that uninsured are thrown out in the street is idiotic.[/quote]

Really? You obviously have no clue, do you...
Hospitals routinely discharge people including children when their insurance runs out. They are told to come back if they can arrange coverage.
If you are on medicare/medicaid you have coverage. But if you have a job and have no insurance [ the working poor -47 MILLION ] one accident or one illness can lead to bankruptcy and ruin. People are choosing between food and co-pays or food and their medicine. Pepole are letting their teeth rot in their mouth because the have NO insurance.

[Apotheoun]

In California there are county run hospitals, and if a person has no insurance they are transferred there if the initial treatment was done at a private hospital or are simply admitted to the county hospital if that is where their initial treatment was done.

Edited January 4, 2009 by Apotheoun

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1742403' date='Jan 3 2009, 11:08 PM']In California there are county run hospitals, and if a person has no insurance they are transferred there if the initial treatment was done at a private hospital or are simply admitted to the county hospital if that is where their initial treatment was done.[/quote]
Which is fine if you live in California. We don't have that here.

[CatherineM]

Is this the same California that had an investigation of hospitals discharging poor patients onto the street?

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[Apotheoun]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1742405' date='Jan 3 2009, 08:10 PM']Which is fine if you live in California. We don't have that here.[/quote]
Then work for it locally. A federal take over of the medical system nationally is contrary to the Catholic principle of subsidiary function.

Edited January 4, 2009 by Apotheoun

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1742413' date='Jan 3 2009, 11:18 PM']Then work for it locally. A federal take over of the medical system nationally is contrary to the Catholic principle of subsidiary function.[/quote]
Catholic Charities estimates there are 70,000 uninsured people within 10 miles of the clinic.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1742418' date='Jan 3 2009, 08:22 PM']Catholic Charities estimates there are 70,000 uninsured people within 10 miles of the clinic.[/quote]
All the more reason for you (and other Catholics in your state) to work for a solution that is in line with Catholic doctrine.

[Lounge Daddy]

The unfortunate misunderstanding is the thinking that government can produce something. It cannot. Government doesn't produce--it only forces others through enslavement and coercion and threat of deadly force. Government is only force.

Government is not reason and not something that can produce a product. It is only force and coercion. Which is why our Founding Fathers looked at the Federal Government primarily for defense, and not much more than that.

Government will enslave the news media because, as scripture says, the borrower is a slave to the lender.

As for health care, government cannot produce health care. Government can only bend the industries, including the health care industry, to the will of the State. To quote George Washington, government "is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

One consequence is this: If the FOCA doesn't force Catholic health institutions into providing abortions and euthanasia, then Nationalizing the health care system in the name of "universal health care" will.

And the government-run news media will praise it.

[jckinsman]

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[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1742397' date='Jan 3 2009, 11:06 PM']Really? You obviously have no clue, do you...
Hospitals routinely discharge people including children when their insurance runs out. They are told to come back if they can arrange coverage.
If you are on medicare/medicaid you have coverage. But if you have a job and have no insurance [ the working poor -47 MILLION ] one accident or one illness can lead to bankruptcy and ruin. People are choosing between food and co-pays or food and their medicine. Pepole are letting their teeth rot in their mouth because the have NO insurance.[/quote]
47 million is a gross exaggeration, for instance, its common practice in my region for elderly to transfer there home and assets to there children to qualify for Medicare. On paper these people are destitute, I suspect millions of people use this tactic to milk the system, when they if fact have the money. You may call it compassion, I call it stealing.

This abuse of the assistant programs available for the truly needy is a sin and creates a good portion of the artificial welfare state.
If this kind of abuse didn’t take place the numbers of working poor (without insurance coverage) would be far, far less.
signed: clueless

Edited January 4, 2009 by apparently

[CatherineM]

[quote name='apparently' post='1742598' date='Jan 4 2009, 06:13 AM']47 million is a gross exaggeration, for instance, its common practice in my region for elderly to transfer there home and assets to there children to qualify for Medicare. On paper these people are destitute, I suspect millions of people use this tactic to milk the system, when they if fact have the money. You may call it compassion, I call it stealing.

This abuse of the assistant programs available for the truly needy is a sin and creates a good portion of the artificial welfare state.
If this kind of abuse didn’t take place the numbers of working poor (without insurance coverage) would be far, far less.
signed: clueless[/quote]

I remember my grandmother milked the system like that. She had a broken hip at 82 and needed to go to a nursing home. She made $600 on Social Security and the nursing home was $1200. Her savings were wiped out by my grandfather's last illness. All she had was this magnificent house. She couldn't sell it because it was falling down, but it was worth too much for her to qualify for medicaid. She also didn't want to sell it philosophically because she wanted to have the hope that she would be able to come out of the nursing home after rehabbing her new hip. She didn't know that she was also dying of colon/liver cancer at the time. Back then you could rent the house out, which she did to one of my cousins for $200/month, allowing her to qualify for assistance. I think my cousin was being over charged at the time, since after my grandmother died 8 months later, the house was torn down by the church next door to add to their parking.

I had lots of clients over the years in similar situations that I helped milk the system for all it was worth. All of my food stamp using Cadillac driving clients. I guess I'll have to answer to the Lord someday for helping poor people take advantage of the system.

[CatherineM]

Oh, I almost forgot my biggest sin. I forgot to charge those folks, driving 30 year old Cadillacs with no back bumper, any fees.

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[quote name='CatherineM' post='1742616' date='Jan 4 2009, 11:14 AM']Oh, I almost forgot my biggest sin. I forgot to charge those folks, driving 30 year old Cadillacs with no back bumper, any fees.[/quote]
that's not what I'm saying, at all. wealthy people do this scam, all the time, it's very common. the people you referenced should and it sounds like are being covered. i wholeheartedly support and believe Medicare and Medicaid for all people in need, however fraud is all to common by people who can afford to pay, thereby hurting the very people like you mentioned.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='apparently' post='1742695' date='Jan 4 2009, 03:23 PM']that's not what I'm saying, at all. wealthy people do this scam, all the time, it's very common. the people you referenced should and it sounds like are being covered. i wholeheartedly support and believe Medicare and Medicaid for all people in need, however fraud is all to common by people who can afford to pay, thereby hurting the very people like you mentioned.[/quote]

You have to transfer your house and assets YEARS ahead of time for this to happen, so no it really doesn't happen all the time. Fraud is not quite as common as you seem to hope.

[sweens8403]

As someone who works in healthcare I can tell you that there is something that will happen if everyone gets "free" healthcare. There will be much more waste of medical resources than there is already. Our hospitals are already clogged with people who aren't truly sick yet call 911 regularly. If medical care is cost free to the individual then more of that will occur.

Still, I recognize that universal coverage would give access to medical services to people who don't currently have the means to pay for it and who suffer because of that fact.

So, I'm torn on the universal healthcare issue.

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I trust and believe in all the dedicated hardworking healthcare providers, I also hope all people are cared for fairly and honestly regardless of there ability to pay.
amen

[Hassan]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1742397' date='Jan 3 2009, 11:06 PM']Really? You obviously have no clue, do you...
Hospitals routinely discharge people including children when their insurance runs out. They are told to come back if they can arrange coverage.
If you are on medicare/medicaid you have coverage. But if you have a job and have no insurance [ the working poor -47 MILLION ] one accident or one illness can lead to bankruptcy and ruin. People are choosing between food and co-pays or food and their medicine. Pepole are letting their teeth rot in their mouth because the have NO insurance.[/quote]

It's stunning isn’t it? I mean it's not like we are ranked 2nd and we can dispute that really it's better than on paper we are 37th in health care.

I will set this again as no one has really addressed it.

To make it very clear and simple

[size=7]We do [u][i] [b]NOT[/b][/i][/u] have the best health care in the world[/size]

[size=7]We have the 37th best health care in the world[/size]

[size=7]To be clear, not 1st but 37th[/size]

[size=7]That is 36 places below the best health care is the world[/size]

[size=7]France has the best health care system in the world[/size]

So let's rehash what we have learned here

[size=7]In terms of health care[/size]

[size=7]France=#1[/size]

[size=7]United States=#37[/size]

What is unclear about this? Individuals can chant as much as they please that we have the greatest health care system in the world. Just like I can chant over and over again that I have $5,000 in the bank. However in both cases chanting and will do not alter reality. We do not have the best health care system in the world. Such a charge does not simply strain credulity, but rather is a near total divorce from reality.


[size=7][b]37[/b][/size]

[Hassan]

[quote name='apparently' post='1742757' date='Jan 4 2009, 05:12 PM']I trust and believe in all the dedicated hardworking healthcare providers, I also hope all people are cared for fairly and honestly regardless of there ability to pay.
amen[/quote]


That hope is contrary to all empirical reality. I’m sorry to say this. It’s not that anyone here wants America to have such lackluster health care, but that is simple the only honest conclusion one may derive from the empirical data.