kafka Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) What are the three things which hinder our path to holiness? And what is there order? Edited January 10, 2009 by kafka
HisChildForever Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I don't know if I've ever heard of this before.
CatherineM Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 My three things would be materialism, conceit (lack of humility), and ignorance. Not sure what order I would put them in.
sweens8403 Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 My guesses are: *Pride *Selfishness *Habit
kafka Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 I am not asking in a personal way but in a general way. Three general things which influence us toward sin, hence away from holiness, and what is there order? Or in other words which one is worse to deal with, or which one is more problem some?
Guest Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 over self rightous attitutes from those who have authority or claim to have authority. the allurment of what the world has to offer and how it can make one happy. the loss of faith from the result of the serpent and wicked fallen angels who walk this earth. (in no particular order)
HisChildForever Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='kafka' post='1747618' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:16 PM']I am not asking in a personal way but in a general way. Three general things which influence us toward sin, hence away from holiness, and what is there order? Or in other words which one is worse to deal with, or which one is more problem some?[/quote] Is this in the Catechism? Anyway my guess is that pride would be the first one. Lust would be the second. Edited January 10, 2009 by HisChildForever
kafka Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1747622' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:18 PM']over self rightous attitutes from those who have authority or claim to have authority. the allurment of what the world has to offer and how it can make one happy. the loss of faith from the result of the serpent and wicked fallen angels who walk this earth. (in no particular order)[/quote] you are on the right track. [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1747623' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:19 PM']Is this in the Catechism?[/quote] of course it is. Edited January 10, 2009 by kafka
jckinsman Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Yes I would agree with pride and lust, I would have to think that this would be different for all of us depending on our weaknesses huh? So in going with the majority of the mass I guess I would choose from the seven Deadly sins......a third would be??????? Greed.....? Ya .....In order I would say Pride,Lust and Greed.........Its tough though, I have witnessed peoples struggle with sloth envy and anger also. Not just simple forms either,complex and ingrained. Interesting though.
HisChildForever Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='jckinsman' post='1747645' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:33 PM']Yes I would agree with pride and lust, I would have to think that this would be different for all of us depending on our weaknesses huh? So in going with the majority of the mass I guess I would choose from the seven Deadly sins......a third would be??????? Greed.....? Ya .....In order I would say Pride,Lust and Greed.........Its tough though, I have witnessed peoples struggle with sloth envy and anger also. Not just simple forms either,complex and ingrained. Interesting though.[/quote] I think greed can fit under the umbrella of lust if you look at lust as a deep, immorally twisted desire. Maybe...pride, lust, anger.
kafka Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) I am referring to something precluding vice. Think of fallen human nature. Human nature is good and in the fullest sense holy, since God created us, and gave us the purpose of knowing and loving Him. But something happened and the result of it hinders us from reaching Him (we have His help and gifts of course but that is another topic). What are those influences which hinder or hurt us from reaching Him in our lives? Edited January 10, 2009 by kafka
Guest Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='kafka' post='1747667' date='Jan 9 2009, 08:49 PM']What are those influences which hinder or hurt us from reaching Him in our lives?[/quote] fallen angels who usher in the mark of the beast and accomany false prophets who set the stage for antichrist to appear and decieve the entire world. the false church who preaches another Christ and teaches its children they will fly away before the appearance of the antichrist. members of the true catholic church who are masquarding as apostles of light but are really children of satan. they give off the appeareance of light but for nowonder because even their father satan appears as an angel of light. in the end their fate will be a result of their deeds. paul refers to them as " superapostles" Edited January 10, 2009 by Guest
kafka Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1747675' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:56 PM']fallen angels who usher in the mark of the beast and accomany false prophets who set the stage for antichrist to appear and decieve the entire world. the false church who preaches another Christ and teaches its children they will fly away before the appearance of the antichrist. members of the true catholic church who are masquarding as apostles of light but are really children of satan. they give off the appeareance of light but for nowonder because even their father satan appears as an angel of light. in the end their fate will be a result of their deeds. paul refers to them as " superapostles"[/quote] you are thinking too eschatological, but yes the occasional temptations of fallen angels is the third one (and third in order) I am referring too.
Resurrexi Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='kafka' post='1747667' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:49 PM']I am referring to something precluding vice. Think of fallen human nature. Human nature is good and in the fullest sense holy, since God created us, and gave us the purpose of knowing and loving Him. But something happened and the result of it hinders us from reaching Him (we have His help and gifts of course but that is another topic). What are those influences which hinder or hurt us from reaching Him in our lives?[/quote] Near occasions of sin.
HisChildForever Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I don't like guessing games. Can you post where this is located in the Catechism?
Era Might Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 St. John speaks of "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life": [quote]Do not love the world or the things in the world. If any one loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, [b]the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life[/b], is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides for ever. --1John 2:15-17[/quote]
HisChildForever Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1747930' date='Jan 10 2009, 12:12 AM']Is this a riddle of some kind?[/quote] Personally, I'm wondering what happens after we've established "the three things."
jckinsman Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='kafka' post='1747667' date='Jan 9 2009, 07:49 PM']I am referring to something precluding vice. Think of fallen human nature. Human nature is good and in the fullest sense holy, since God created us, and gave us the purpose of knowing and loving Him. But something happened and the result of it hinders us from reaching Him (we have His help and gifts of course but that is another topic). What are those influences which hinder or hurt us from reaching Him in our lives?[/quote] Disobediance,Despair,unbelief Edited January 10, 2009 by jckinsman
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