thessalonian Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 This doesn't really help though certainly I can understand his frustration in the matter. [url="http://kstp.com/article/stories/S756876.shtml?cat=1"]http://kstp.com/article/stories/S756876.shtml?cat=1[/url]
cmotherofpirl Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 He could be a proabortionist trying to make us look bad.
Fidei Defensor Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1758552' date='Jan 22 2009, 12:12 PM']He could be a proabortionist trying to make us look bad.[/quote] Yes, that's definitely what people spend their free afternoons doing...
dominicansoul Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 it's wrong, but understandable.... sometimes it makes my head spin when i think of the slaughter going on in those places....and when legislation doesn't help....what is there to do in terms of rescue???
Snowflake3981 Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 I read on Kare 11 that the guy backed up and rammed into the building two more times, then he got out and was shaking a crucifix. There were people protesting across the street I guess too. I wonder if he was with them or if he was just some extremist.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1758560' date='Jan 22 2009, 02:24 PM']Yes, that's definitely what people spend their free afternoons doing...[/quote] Have you EVER stood outside an abortion clinic and listened to the things the prodeath crowd says to the people who are just silently praying rosaries. If you want to HEAR the voice of evil, try it. Until them don't underestimate what evil will do to secure its own. Our luck though, its some deluded christian
eagle_eye222001 Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Stupid. Not helping the cause. Ways to fight a war...ways to not fight a war.
Fidei Defensor Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1758577' date='Jan 22 2009, 12:43 PM']Have you EVER stood outside an abortion clinic and listened to the things the prodeath crowd says to the people who are just silently praying rosaries. If you want to HEAR the voice of evil, try it. Until them don't underestimate what evil will do to secure its own. Our luck though, its some deluded christian [/quote] Standing outside and yelling is one thing. Driving into a building and going to jail just to make your movement look bad is another thing.
lost_in_this_world Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 standing outside and screaming people doesnt help the cause either. peaceful demonstration and civil disobedience
CatherineM Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 I think Julia on "Designing Women" did that a few times to a newsstand that had bondage magazines displayed. We all have that temptation, but in the long run, it doesn't help things.
Brother Adam Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 After speaking to a former doctor at an abortuary, he said that even one person praying outside their clinics makes those inside very nervous. Those who carry out violent acts only increase their resolve. Though he also mentioned those that had been personally threatened have quit because they felt it wasn't worth it for the money.
MithLuin Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Hmmm. When was the last time there was a shooting or bombing at an abortion clinic? Wasn't it a bunch of years ago - mid-90s or something? The timing, so shortly after Obama became president, is probably not incidental. So sad. It's not enough just to believe in a good cause - you have to use good means to acheive it. Violence, being quick and easy, is not the true answer.
Ziggamafu Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 I've often found it difficult to rationalize why violence is not justified in the case of the abortion mills. It would have been acceptable to use violence in Germany to shutdown Auschwitz, correct? How is this any different except that the numbers are higher, the victims are more innocent, and the damage more severe? I understand the repercussions of using violence, of course. I'm not advocating it; I'm merely asking the honest, sincere question of why, for some reason, the principles of just war / aggression are (seemingly) not employed in the case of the baby-murder mills.
CatherineM Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 We don't need to make martyrs for their cause.
Giolla Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) He should have done it late at night when no one was around. Edited January 22, 2009 by Giolla
HisChildForever Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Ziggamafu' post='1758782' date='Jan 22 2009, 06:40 PM']I've often found it difficult to rationalize why violence is not justified in the case of the abortion mills. It would have been acceptable to use violence in Germany to shutdown Auschwitz, correct? How is this any different except that the numbers are higher, the victims are more innocent, and the damage more severe? I understand the repercussions of using violence, of course. I'm not advocating it; I'm merely asking the honest, sincere question of why, for some reason, the principles of just war / aggression are (seemingly) not employed in the case of the baby-murder mills.[/quote] In theory I suppose it is justifiable. But the wisest way to approach this severe matter is through peace. Why? Because we want violence (abortion) to stop, and would be contradicting ourselves if we used violence to stop violence. I can hear the pro-choice people now: "They say it's wrong to terminate a pregnancy and yet they run around torching our buildings and harassing our employees?" [[edit.]] Furthermore, murdering children is a barbaric act. We should respond like the civilized people we are. Edited January 22, 2009 by HisChildForever
Giolla Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1758786' date='Jan 22 2009, 07:46 PM']In theory I suppose it is justifiable. But the wisest way to approach this severe matter is through peace. Why? Because we want violence (abortion) to stop, and would be contradicting ourselves if we used violence to stop violence. I can hear the pro-choice people now: "They say it's wrong to terminate a pregnancy and yet they run around torching our buildings and harassing our employees?" [[edit.]] Furthermore, murdering children is a barbaric act. We should respond like the civilized people we are.[/quote] "Freedom is not doing what we want but what we ought!" His Holiness John Paul the Great
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