Roamin'Catholic Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Now that the excommunications have been removed, the Pope (despite opposition from the atheists [aka secularists]) is moving swiftly to reinstate the SSPX fully into the Church and remove the final obstacle. Again, this is from Rorate Caeli, the best traditional Catholic blog on the web right now. I'm loving it; the liberal atheists don't know what to do with themselves! Thank you Pope Benedict, Father of Church Unity! Your pontificate is greater than I could have ever imagined! Report: The Pope remains decided to settle the matter soon As Brian Mershon reported in The Remnant, other sources had confirmed that some act of stable reintegration of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), perhaps a temporary measure, could have taken place tomorrow, Candlemas. The media uproar of the past week, clearly directed not against the SSPX, but against the Pope himself, has delayed the matter for a while - but Giacomo Galeazzi, Vatican reporter for Italian daily La Stampa, says the Pope remains decided to settle the matter soon. ONLY A BRIEF DELAY: THE "X HOUR" [for the reintegration of the SSPX] HAD BEEN SET FOR TOMORROW Israel threatens with rupture But the Pope [says]: "Soon, full communion" Discussions are on with the Lefebvrists [sic]: the Council is the true obstacle CITTA’ DEL VATICANO "The date is near. " The X-hour for reintegrating the entire Lefebvrist galaxy inside the Church should have been tomorrow, Feast of the Purification of Mary. The controversy on the relationship with Judaism has slowed down the race against time in the Sacred Palaces, but, despite "the internal resistance and the external attacks", the strategy, in the Vatican [Oltretevere: across the Tiber] is that of proceeding in firm steps towards full communion. While criticisms for the removal of the excommunications from the four Lefebvrist bishops (among whom the negationist Richard Williamson) extend from the German Parliament to the Great Rabbinate of France, in the Vatican there is feverish work for the "full regularization of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X". Benedict XVI wants for as soon as possible the return to the Church of the 500 ultra-Traditionalist priests suspended "a divinis" and of their 60 thousand [sic] faithful scattered in the 159 priories and 725 religious centers throughout the world. In the "anti-schism plan", the feast of the Purification of Mary (February 2) had been informally indicated as the "key date", but the reestablishment of full communion and the removal of the suspension "a divinis" could require a "supplementary clarification" between the Holy See and the stronghold of Ecône, particularly on the Declaration "Nostra Aetate", dedicated by the Council to the dialogue with the Jews, the Muslims, and other faiths. The "full recognition" of Vatican II remains the knot to be untied by Papal mediator [Cardinal] Darío Castrillón Hoyos. A week ago, just as the decree in their favor had been published, the head of the Lefebvrists, [Bishop] Bernard Fellay, had confirmed the "reservations" on the Council. The speeding up of the timetable of rehabilitation and the definition of the juridical status of the "Saint Pius X" in the Church (probably as a Personal Prelature in the model of Opus Dei) would help the Holy See to defuse the explosive mix of "residual disagreements" with the followers of Lefebvre and the Progressive feeling contrary to the reconciliation. ... A few days from the "act of fatherly mercy", Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos has assured the Pontiff that he had obtained from the schismatic Bishops the effort to "accomplish the necessary steps towards full communion", recognizing not only the authority of the Pope, but also the Council. ... The final step for entering in communion with the Church of Rome could be faster than what the worldwide sensation around the incident might imply. There is, in the Secretariat of State, an explicit intent to not leave the matter open for too long to avoid compromising the relations with Judaism, even more delicate in view of the journey of Benedict XVI to the Holy Land. ... Galeazzi also mentions the eventual reconciliation with the Traditional Anglican Communion, but without adding any new information - and this matter remains unclear at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Are they going to repudiate their official hatred of jews first? Or their refusal to accept Vatican II? What has happened that they are gonna reverse ALL their positions???? May the Lord have mercy on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 10:41 AM']Are they going to repudiate their official hatred of jews first? Or their refusal to accept Vatican II?[/quote] I am very concerned about this as well, [b]more than[/b] their ultra-conservative views on women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:41 AM']Are they going to repudiate their official hatred of jews first?[/quote] Cmother, by they do you mean the whole SSPX? Do you know positively all the other SSPX members other than Bishop Williamson (who has apologized) that have these views? [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:41 AM']Or their refusal to accept Vatican II?[/quote] From the [url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/02/report-pope-remains-decided-to-settle.html"]article[/url] "A few days from the "act of fatherly mercy", Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos has assured the Pontiff that he had obtained from the schismatic Bishops the effort to "accomplish the necessary steps towards full communion", [b]recognizing not only the authority of the Pope, but also the Council."[/b] [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:41 AM']What has happened that they are gonna reverse ALL their positions???? May the Lord have mercy on us.[/quote] [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768455' date='Feb 1 2009, 12:02 PM']I am very concerned about this as well, [b]more than[/b] their ultra-conservative views on women. [/quote] Trust the wise Holy Pontiff in his leadership of Mother Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Are we worried that the Church is going to change Dogma? We mustn't be, since we're Catholic, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well, the "ultra-liberal" are already fully welcome in the church and have a strong grip on much of the leadership. It's about time we welcome back the polar opposite especially if they are willing to be ultramontane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1768462' date='Feb 1 2009, 11:57 AM']Cmother, by they do you mean the whole SSPX? Do you know positively all the other SSPX members other than Bishop Williamson (who has apologized) that have these views?[/quote] He has apologized but he has not admitted that his views are in error. I was just reading this article: [url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28936956/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28936956/[/url] [b] “Amidst this tremendous media storm stirred up by imprudent remarks of mine on Swedish television, I beg of you to accept, only as is properly respectful, my sincere regrets for having caused to yourself and to the Holy Father so much unnecessary distress and problems,” Williamson wrote. [/b] And I found this part interesting: [b] 'Deep concerns' In a letter dated Thursday, some 50 Catholic members of the U.S. Congress wrote to Benedict to express their “deep concerns” over the pope’s decision to reinstate Williamson while the bishop was denying that the Holocaust occurred. “We do not question your reasons for revoking the excommunication of Bishop Williamson or your right to do so, but we fail to understand why the revocation was not accompanied by an emphatic public rejection of his denial of the Holocaust,” the letter said. The bishop’s remarks about the Holocaust “echo those of neo-Nazis, Islamist extremists, racists and others who choose hatred and violence over peaceful co-existence among peoples of all races and ethnicities,” the lawmakers said, adding that they welcomed Benedict’s expression of solidarity with the Jewish people. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Trust the wise Holy Pontiff in his leadership of Mother Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote]some 50 Catholic members of the U.S. Congress[/quote] I don't know all the details of this letter, but that's all you need to know right there. There are precious few real Catholics in congress or the senate. Most unjustly tout themselves as Catholic when it is politically convenient as there views are the polar opposite of the Catholic Church. I'm sure they saw this as just another reason to voice opposition against the pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Rome is not going to require them to repudiate all their previously held positions; Rome is not asking for a 180 from them to be in communion with them. Nor should you. They will be asked to recognize the authority of the Council, they'll be permitted to have some reservations (Cardinal Ratzinger himself once wrote that the Constitution Gaudiem et Spes fell into downright Pelagian terminology) if they recognize the Council in theory and continue to hold all their traditional views (if the hermeneutic of continuity is to be believed, then the Catholic Faith held exactly as it was before the council is possible to still be completely believed after the council) Not that the Holy Father agrees with all their views, but I believe he wants their side of the spectrum IN for the benefit of really seeing Vatican II in the light of tradition by having people dedicated to tradition from before the council in the Church and he wants the liberal side of interpretting the council OUT. In essence, if you're going to have reservations about the council, you'd better be having them because you think it went too far from the past Magisteriums and not because you don't think it went far enough away from them. They are probably going to be permitted their views almost in their entirety.... perhaps what will be asked of them is a carefully worded statement about the Jewish people and Nostra Aeate (sp?) just to try to curb the backlash... but pretty much no matter what is said in that statement unless they declare the Holocaust a matter of faith and consider their suffering the equivalent of Christ's, the Jewish anti-Catholic lobby will not be happy. so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 IAWTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamin'Catholic Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 We must pray for the Holy Father as much as possible; he is under severe attack. The enemies of the Church are gathering; just Google News 'Pope Benedict' and you can see for yourself the attacks are numerous and growing. Some of the most egrigious attacks are coming from fellow Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Roamin'Catholic' post='1768546' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:57 PM']We must pray for the Holy Father as much as possible; he is under severe attack. The enemies of the Church are gathering; just Google News 'Pope Benedict' and you can see for yourself the attacks are numerous and growing. Some of the most egrigious attacks are coming from fellow Catholics.[/quote] [center]Let us pray for Christ's Vicar! BENEDICT XVI PM [img]http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e34/TheVoodookilla/BenedictXVI-1.jpg[/img] May the Lord keep him and give him life and make his name blessed upon earth.[/center] ------------------------- [indent]Shame on you, "Liberal Catholics", Pharisees of the "New Springtime"! You proclaim to tolerate all, and to respect diversity, but you loathe those whose only wish is to preserve the purity of what was always taught and of the prayers that were always offered, because their continued presence in the Church contradicts the new "house" you tried to build. Shame on you, "Progressives", official Scribes of the "Spirit of the Council"! You build monuments to the "Good Pope John", but reject all that he stood for, in traditional doctrine and in liturgical beauty. You hail Paul VI, but have done all you could to ignore his greatest magisterial document, Humanae Vitae, and discredit him in the eyes of the world. You maligned John Paul II every single day of his pontificate, but now you praise him, for you have found your new scapegoat - Benedict XVI, a man who, as his last work on earth, has accepted the heavy burden of the Fisherman, trying to bring unity to the flock God entrusted him. You crucify Peter in the global public square. You deliver him to the enemies of the Church of Christ. You hate him for his struggle to rehabilitate what the Church has always believed and the way the Church has always prayed. You persecute him for he removed the scarlet sign of "excommunication", which you used to despise, but which you now view as good! You hypocrites! You are accommodating towards abortionists and you pander to politicians dedicated to the culture of death - but you misrepresent Peter's legitimate gesture of mercy as an act of uninformed weakness. Liberal serpents, pseudo-Conservative vipers, you are "witnesses against yourselves" for your relentless persecution of Peter. Yet, Peter will keep working for unity with charity, charity in Truth. Those who love the Vicar of Christ will keep praying daily for him, so that he "will not flee for fear of the wolves", so that he may persevere in the mission he set out to accomplish. What about you? "Your house shall be left to you, desolate."[/indent] Source: [url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/"]http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servus_Mariae Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I agree completely with Brother Adam and Knight of Christ. We must trust our Holy Father. He has yet to give us a reason to do otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) It would be really wonderful if they are to return to full communion. We should pray both for the SSPX Bishops the Holy Father Edited February 1, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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