cmotherofpirl Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1768529' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:39 PM']Rome is not going to require them to repudiate all their previously held positions; Rome is not asking for a 180 from them to be in communion with them. Nor should you. They will be asked to recognize the authority of the Council, they'll be permitted to have some reservations (Cardinal Ratzinger himself once wrote that the Constitution Gaudiem et Spes fell into downright Pelagian terminology) if they recognize the Council in theory and continue to hold all their traditional views (if the hermeneutic of continuity is to be believed, then the Catholic Faith held exactly as it was before the council is possible to still be completely believed after the council) Not that the Holy Father agrees with all their views, but I believe he wants their side of the spectrum IN for the benefit of really seeing Vatican II in the light of tradition by having people dedicated to tradition from before the council in the Church and he wants the liberal side of interpretting the council OUT. In essence, if you're going to have reservations about the council, you'd better be having them because you think it went too far from the past Magisteriums and not because you don't think it went far enough away from them. They are probably going to be permitted their views almost in their entirety.... perhaps what will be asked of them is a carefully worded statement about the Jewish people and Nostra Aeate (sp?) just to try to curb the backlash... but pretty much no matter what is said in that statement unless they declare the Holocaust a matter of faith and consider their suffering the equivalent of Christ's, the Jewish anti-Catholic lobby will not be happy. so be it.[/quote] I'm not interested in the moanings of the hypocritical catholic politicians or the jewish lobby. What about the SSPX's offensive views on the jewish people? How can they be acceptable to the Catholic Church? I have read the SSPX stuff and I am appalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1768455' date='Feb 1 2009, 12:02 PM']I am very concerned about this as well, [b]more than[/b] their ultra-conservative views on women. [/quote] iawtc. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768630' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:39 PM']I'm not interested in the moanings of the hypocritical catholic politicians or the jewish lobby. What about the SSPX's offensive views on the jewish people? How can they be acceptable to the Catholic Church? I have read the SSPX stuff and I am appalled.[/quote] I agree with you on this-how can the Church allow them to continue believing this? There must be more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about or something. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Where did the original post come from? I didn't see a link. And if they are willing to accept the teachings of HMC with obedience, then welcome back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:41 AM']Are they going to repudiate their official hatred of jews first?[/quote] I have never heard it said that the SSPX has adopted an "official hatred" of the Jews. It is my understanding that they pray for the conversion of the Jews to faith in Christ, which is something that we should all be doing. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:41 AM']Or their refusal to accept Vatican II?[/quote] I'm sure that the Holy See will work this problem out to its (and the SSPX's) satisfaction. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:41 AM']What has happened that they are gonna reverse ALL their positions????[/quote] I don't see how the SSPX has reversed "all" of its positions, but the Vatican certainly has reversed its position on the use of the older Missal. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768451' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:41 AM']May the Lord have mercy on us.[/quote] May He grant us all many happy years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768630' date='Feb 1 2009, 03:39 PM']I'm not interested in the moanings of the hypocritical catholic politicians or the jewish lobby. What about the SSPX's offensive views on the jewish people? How can they be acceptable to the Catholic Church? I have read the SSPX stuff and I am appalled.[/quote] [b]Thank you.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768630' date='Feb 1 2009, 01:39 PM']I'm not interested in the moanings of the hypocritical catholic politicians or the jewish lobby. What about the SSPX's offensive views on the jewish people? How can they be acceptable to the Catholic Church? I have read the SSPX stuff and I am appalled.[/quote] You, like everyone else in the Roman Church, will be bound by what your Patriarch decides. Such is life. Edited February 1, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768645' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:04 PM']You, like everyone else in the Roman Church, will be bound by what your Patriarch decides. Such is life.[/quote] lol. Don't I know it. Obedience, obedience, obedience. I just hope the SPPX gets it as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768651' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:08 PM']lol. Don't I know it. Obedience, obedience, obedience.[/quote] [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768651' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:08 PM']I just hope the SPPX gets it as well![/quote] That is between the Pope and the leaders of the SSPX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768645' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:04 PM']You, like everyone else in the Roman Church, will be bound by what your Patriarch decides. Such is life.[/quote] You say things like this all the time. We all know this but that shouldn't stop us from having interesting and valid discussions on issues that concern us. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768657' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:12 PM']You say things like this all the time. We all know this but that shouldn't stop us from having interesting and valid discussions on issues that concern us. -Katie[/quote] Interesting discussion, but not valid. The Pope will determine the validity of what happens with the SSPX, and not the members of Phatmass. Edited February 1, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768664' date='Feb 1 2009, 05:15 PM']Interesting discussion, but not valid. The Pope will determine the validity of what happens with the SSPX, and not the members of Phatmass.[/quote] I said our discussion and concerns are valid. Are we never allowed to discuss anything that the Pope will decide on in the future? We can't speculate and wonder? -Katie Edited February 1, 2009 by Tinkerlina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768665' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:16 PM']I said our discussion and concerns are valid. Are we never allowed to discuss anything that the Pope will decide on in the future? -Katie[/quote] I disagree, because I trust the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1768665' date='Feb 1 2009, 02:16 PM']I said our discussion and concerns are valid. Are we never allowed to discuss anything that the Pope will decide on in the future? We can't speculate and wonder? -Katie[/quote] The Church Fathers held that "speculation" leads to heresy and schism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768645' date='Feb 1 2009, 04:04 PM']You, like everyone else in the Roman Church, will be bound by what your Patriarch decides. Such is life.[/quote] I thought we weren't a patriarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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