For Catholics, Heaven Moves A Step Closer

[kenrockthefirst]

[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html?hp"]For Catholics, Heaven Moves a Step Closer[/url]

[quote]“Why are we bringing it back?” asked Bishop Nicholas A. DiMarzio of Brooklyn, who has embraced the move. “Because there is sin in the world.”[/quote]

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
indulgences never went away, though. Pope John Paul II announced different plenary indulgences all the time. edit: reading the article all the way through helps.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote]But just a few miles west, in the Archdiocese of New York, [b]indulgences are available at only one church[/b], and the archdiocesan Web site makes no mention of them. (Cardinal Edward M. Egan “encourages all people to receive the blessings of indulgences,” said his spokesman, Joseph Zwilling, who added that he was unaware that the offer was missing from the Web site, but would soon have it posted.)[/quote]uh, they're available every where, regardless if a church 'offers' them or not. lol. secular writers.

and of course, they had to go to Fr. Reese and Fr. McBrien. and ask their worthless opinions.

[RemnantRules]

New York Times...nough said...

Edited February 9, 2009 by RemnantRules

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='RemnantRules' post='1776895' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:57 PM']New York Times...nough said... [/quote]
No kiddin.

I like how that Lutheran fellow says that this doesn't advance dialogue.
Is it just me, or could other people also not care less about what Lutherans think of indulgences?

[CatherineM]

One of the first things Benedict did after his election was announce indulgences for those who live with mental illnesses, and those who care for them. I can use all the help I can get.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1776936' date='Feb 9 2009, 04:04 PM']One of the first things Benedict did after his election was announce indulgences for those who live with mental illnesses, and those who care for them. I can use all the help I can get.[/quote]
Do you have a copy of this?

[Theologian in Training]

Our diocese, this year, during Lent is making confessions available in every church on Monday night from 7-8:30 PM. Every Monday night at the same time during Lent. The bishop said that he wants someone to be able to go anywhere within this diocese and find a church where they can go to confession, no matter what part of the diocese they are in.

I know the bishops are concerned about more people going to confession and, it seems, everyone is doing their part to do so.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1776944' date='Feb 9 2009, 01:18 PM']Do you have a copy of this?[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
found something:
[url="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8563"]http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8563[/url]

[lilac_angel]

[quote name='RemnantRules' post='1776895' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:57 PM']New York Times...nough said... [/quote]

Elegance in Ignorance should be their slogan... haha. Though I guess subtle suggestions that indulgences are only now slowly creeping back into the Church as a menacing threat are convenient.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1776944' date='Feb 9 2009, 02:18 PM']Do you have a copy of this?[/quote]

Here are some articles about it:

[url="http://www.catholic.org/printer_friendly.php?id=18576&section=Cathcom"]Catholic Online[/url]

[url="http://www.cancaonova.com/portal_ing/channels/news/materia.php?id=16037"]Mental Health and Human Dignity[/url]

And an article about my husband sending thanks to the Pope for doing this [url="http://www.openpr.com/news/7157/Schizophrenics-get-grace-from-Pope.html"]Health and Medicine[/url]

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Bad article. I didn't read the whole thing, but there seems to be some glaring inaccuracies.

[Apotheoun]

From the article:

[quote]Octavia Andrade, 64, a retired secretary, laughed as she recalled a time when children would race through the rosary repeatedly to get as many indulgences as they could — usually in increments of 5 or 10 years — “as if we needed them, then.”

Still, she supports their reintroduction. “Anything old coming back, I’m in favor of it,” she said. “More fervor is a good thing.”

Karen Nassauer, 61, a retired hospital social worker who meets Mrs. Andrade almost daily for Mass, said she was baffled by the return to a practice she never quite understood to begin with.

“I mean, I’m not saying it is necessarily wrong,” she said. “But I had always figured they were going to let this fade into the background, to be honest. What does it mean to get ‘time off’ in Purgatory? What is ‘five years’ in terms of eternity?”[/quote]

The years associated with indulgences had nothing to do with getting "time off in purgatory" because there is no "time" in purgatory; instead, they were connected to the system of penance in the ancient Church.

[RemnantRules]

[quote name='lilac_angel' post='1776961' date='Feb 9 2009, 04:04 PM']Elegance in Ignorance should be their slogan... haha.[/quote]

[MStar]

I don't understand indulgences very well... And I kind of agreed with the woman in the article who wondered about "5 years" in light of eternity, just because I've never completely had a grasp on them and on why they are associated with certain amounts of time.