Muslim Student Seeks Place To Pray Boy's Mother Fights For His Rig

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1787097' date='Feb 21 2009, 12:34 AM']Let's say you pick up a newspaper. You read a story of a Saudi woman who owned an Egyptian slave. She could not have a child so she gave her husband the slave as a wife so he could have sex with her and have a child that way.

What would you say about this?[/quote]

Sounds like you are trying to trap me with your innate cleverness.

[Hassan]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1787091' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:28 AM']Intercourse with a little nine year old girl is rape. The fact you defend it is reprehensible.
May God have mercy on you.[/quote]


Let me try.

indoctrinating little children with the beleif that if they fail to maintain their faith or to live up to a particular moral standard they will spend an eternity in hell being tortured is child abuse, period!

that YOU would defend your church engaging in such practices is disgusting

that's kinda fun

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1787103' date='Feb 21 2009, 12:38 AM']indoctrinating little children with the beleif that if they fail to maintain their faith or to live up to a particular moral standard they will spend an eternity in hell being tortured is child abuse, period!

that YOU would defend your church engaging in such practices is disgusting[/quote]

It is unwise to distort Catholicism on a Catholic forum.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1787101' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:37 AM']Sounds like you are trying to trap me with your innate cleverness.[/quote]


You pulled it on me. I would like to know what you would feel of this situation. I have tried to answer your questions and engage with the difficult points you raise, I don't think it's to much to ask that you do the same.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1787106' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:39 AM']It is unwise to distort Catholicism on a Catholic forum.[/quote]


lol, yes, that's what I was trying to do

[mortify]

Other than having intercourse with a 9 year old whom the hadith report still played with dolls (which goes against any modern Muslim attempt to stretch her age beyond 9 years old), he also forced his adopted son to divorce his beautiful wife Zaynab, so that he could marry her. He claimed that this was a revelation from Allah so as to prove that a man can marry the wife of his adopted son.

After a battle that resulted in a Muslim victory, the Muslim soldiers were carrying back the booty of war which included female captives. Several Muslims were eager to have intercourse with these women and so they approached Muhammad to ask whether they could perform coitus interruptus. Instead of prohibiting this act which would amount to rape, Muhammad said they should *not* perform interruptus because it's Allah's will whether a child is conceived or not.

He also had something like 9 wives and numerous concubines even though his followers were "only" permitted to marry up to four wives.


"And you will know them by their fruits"

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1787107' date='Feb 21 2009, 12:40 AM']You pulled it on me. I would like to know what you would feel of this situation. I have tried to answer your questions and engage with the difficult points you raise, I don't think it's to much to ask that you do the same.[/quote]

That "situation" you mentioned is not as horrific as raping a child.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1787128' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:59 AM']That "situation" you mentioned is not as horrific as raping a child.[/quote]


If you are going to refuse to answer my question please just sa so rather than wasting my time.

What would you think of a man who married his half sister and impreginated her slave anfter she was given to him to marry?

[Hassan]

[quote name='mortify' post='1787124' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:55 AM']Other than having intercourse with a 9 year old whom the hadith report still played with dolls (which goes against any modern Muslim attempt to stretch her age beyond 9 years old), he also forced his adopted son to divorce his beautiful wife Zaynab, so that he could marry her. He claimed that this was a revelation from Allah so as to prove that a man can marry the wife of his adopted son.

After a battle that resulted in a Muslim victory, the Muslim soldiers were carrying back the booty of war which included female captives. Several Muslims were eager to have intercourse with these women and so they approached Muhammad to ask whether they could perform coitus interruptus. Instead of prohibiting this act which would amount to rape, Muhammad said they should *not* perform interruptus because it's Allah's will whether a child is conceived or not.

He also had something like 9 wives and numerous concubines even though his followers were "only" permitted to marry up to four wives.


"And you will know them by their fruits"[/quote]

I think we both know that your interpretations/connotations are quite disputable, and not just by Muslims but by non Muslim historians.

That's not to say your views are not legitimate, but I don't think they are exactly fair.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1787136' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:06 AM']I think we both know that your interpretations/connotations are quite disputable, and not just by Muslims but by non Muslim historians.

That's not to say your views are not legitimate, but I don't think they are exactly fair.[/quote]

No one who speaks against Muslims are "exactly fair" according to you, Hassan.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1787145' date='Feb 21 2009, 02:15 AM']No one who speaks against Muslims are "exactly fair" according to you, Hassan.[/quote]

"speaks out against Muslims"?

There are certianly legitimate criticisms of Islam, I obviously have some, anyone who is not a Muslim does. That is distinct from "speaking out against Muslims".

Are you ever going to answer my question?

Edited February 21, 2009 by Hassan

[mortify]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1787136' date='Feb 21 2009, 02:06 AM']I think we both know that your interpretations/connotations are quite disputable, and not just by Muslims but by non Muslim historians.

That's not to say your views are not legitimate, but I don't think they are exactly fair.[/quote]

I mentioned facts.

According to Islamic sources it's a fact that Muhammad had numerous concubines and more wives than he permitted his followers to have.

The same sources reveal that Muhammad married a 6 year old girl and then had intercourse with her three years later.

It's also a fact, one which disgusts me about as much as the previous one, that captive women were raped with Muhammad's permission.

The last fact is one which I offered some interpretation: I believe is perfectly reasonably and probably true: that Muhammad made up the verses supposedly permitting him to marry his adopted son's wife.


I'm sure these facts wont stop you from defending this man...

[jeffpugh]

HCF, you should know better. Stop being off topic. This thread is about people's right to private prayer in schools.

Personally, I dunno if I can stick to a side on the matter. As CMom said, he can just take his own "space" in the classroom, but that can and probably will lead to him being picked on... kids can be kids... and I've faced the brunt end of em and it's not fun when they divert their energy into something destructive such as bullying.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1787132' date='Feb 21 2009, 01:01 AM']If you are going to refuse to answer my question please just sa so rather than wasting my time.

What would you think of a man who married his half sister and impreginated her slave anfter she was given to him to marry?[/quote]

Stop trying to insult my intelligence. Sarah was unable to have children and I assume felt like a complete disappointment, a shame to her husband. She offered him her maid in her place so her husband's line would not end (undoubtedly feeling that it would be her fault if this occurred). Later Sarah treated Hagar poorly which obviously insinuates that even with the right intentions, Abraham sleeping with Hagar was a poor choice. Even while Sarah was trying to do something good for Abraham, ultimately the child would be considered her child, therefore she would not feel public shame of being unable to produce a child. Besides that selfishness, jealousy ensued. God, of course, made the situation right by caring for Hagar and Ishmael.

[Hassan]

[quote name='mortify' post='1787151' date='Feb 21 2009, 02:25 AM']I mentioned facts.

According to Islamic sources it's a fact that Muhammad had numerous concubines and more wives than he permitted his followers to have.

The same sources reveal that Muhammad married a 6 year old girl and then had intercourse with her three years later.

It's also a fact, one which disgusts me about as much as the previous one, that captive women were raped with Muhammad's permission.

The last fact is one which I offered some interpretation: I believe is perfectly reasonably and probably true: that Muhammad made up the verses supposedly permitting him to marry his adopted son's wife.


I'm sure these facts wont stop you from defending this man...[/quote]

Are those induspitable facts the same ones, with the same connotations, that Muslims would mention?