Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='notardillacid' post='1804925' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:17 PM']Says who? A naked woman tells you to eat an apple, most guys don't have the willpower to say no to a naked chick. Sorry. Its your fault.[/quote] depends on the chick.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1804947' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:33 PM']depends on the chick. [/quote] If it was Hassan for instance... I think I'll pass...
Church Punk Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1804932' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:25 PM']Except Adam and Eve did not KNOW they were naked until AFTER they ate the fruit. [/quote] I think they "knew" they were naked, but it didnt bother them, because there was no lust involved - no sin. It wasnt until after the fall that they were shameful and felt lust for each other.
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1804953' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:40 PM']If it was Hassan for instance... I think I'll pass... [/quote] I'm not a chick
HisChildForever Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1804956' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:41 PM']I'm not a chick [/quote] I've been fooled all this time.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1804956' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:41 PM']I'm not a chick [/quote] That's exactly what you would say if you were a girl posing as a guy for some twisted amusement.
takebacktonight Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Seriously though, back to the article... I totally agree with HisChildForever. The notion that emotionality and inner spirituality are inherently female is bullfunky. Just take a look at the Promise Keepers. Those are some pretty emotional dudes totally dedicated to putting women back in their place, because it's God's will. Yes, women are socially conditioned to express or repress certain aspects of their character to conform to gender norms, as are men, but this has nothing to do with a percentage of 'innateness'.
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1804962' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:44 PM']I've been fooled all this time.[/quote] I'm a secret muslima
Nihil Obstat Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 It would be unfair to stereotype too harshly, but something about that article rings true when it talks about men being interested in defending the faith through confrontation and intellectual debate...
HisChildForever Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='takebacktonight' post='1804988' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:54 PM']The notion that emotionality and inner spirituality are inherently female is bullfunky.[/quote] Exactly. After all, weren't the Apostles male? Isn't our GOD a male??
takebacktonight Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1804997' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:57 PM']It would be unfair to stereotype too harshly, but something about that article rings true when it talks about men being interested in defending the faith through confrontation and intellectual debate...[/quote] I don't know. One of the only reasons I am considering Catholicism vs. other religions is because of the Church's dedication to reason, intellectualism, and education. Fr. Moses Coady always comes to mind. I simply couldn't join a Church that didn't fully support education and intellectualism. [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1805000' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:58 PM']Exactly. After all, weren't the Apostles male? Isn't our GOD a male??[/quote] Word.
HisChildForever Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1804997' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:57 PM']It would be unfair to stereotype too harshly, but something about that article rings true when it talks about men being interested in defending the faith through confrontation and intellectual debate...[/quote] Do you mean on Phatmass or in general, like with the Saints?
Norseman82 Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1804837' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:34 PM']I find this hilarious. Are their churches dominated by female preachers? If the answer is no, then just as many men are preaching "feminized" Christianity. Maybe these male preachers should recognize that they are losing male members and ask themselves why. Or maybe male preachers can give female preachers some kind words of advice. Furthermore, I severely dislike that the blame is being placed on women, that men are leaving the church. Maybe it's not JUST the style of preaching, but the members' [i]personality[/i] and [i]"me-first" faith[/i] that pushes them to leave and search for a church more to their liking. That's why Catholicism is so great, there's no room for subjective interpretation.[/quote] Part of the problem is that there are priests who are trying to appease the radical feminist crowd (possibly because that crowd is throwing temper tantrums over women's ordination and abortion). I distinctly remember one instance where the priest at our Newman Center who substituted the word "humankind" for "mankind" and when I mentioned why he did not use the word "humanity", he replied that it wasn't satisfactory enough for the feminists.
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1805000' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:58 PM']Isn't our GOD a male??[/quote] no. Check "God and the World" and interview with Joseph Ratzinger "God is neither male nor female". He does go on to qualify that somewhat, others would be better to d that than I
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1805019' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:18 PM']Part of the problem is that there are priests who are trying to appease the radical feminist crowd (possibly because that crowd is throwing temper tantrums over women's ordination and abortion). I distinctly remember one instance where the priest at our Newman Center who substituted the word "humankind" for "mankind" and when I mentioned why he did not use the word "humanity", he replied that it wasn't satisfactory enough for the feminists.[/quote] That may be the case in your experience. For the larger historical trend it began in the nineteenth century when men began attending Church less.
HisChildForever Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1805019' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:18 PM']Part of the problem is that there are priests who are trying to appease the radical feminist crowd (possibly because that crowd is throwing temper tantrums over women's ordination and abortion). I distinctly remember one instance where the priest at our Newman Center who substituted the word "humankind" for "mankind" and when I mentioned why he did not use the word "humanity", he replied that it wasn't satisfactory enough for the feminists.[/quote] Now THAT is ridiculous. I am not offended in the LEAST when I hear "mankind." [quote name='Hassan' post='1805023' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:20 PM']no. Check "God and the World" and interview with Joseph Ratzinger "God is neither male nor female". He does go on to qualify that somewhat, others would be better to d that than I[/quote] Christ is a MALE.
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1805029' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:24 PM']Now THAT is ridiculous. I am not offended in the LEAST when I hear "mankind." Christ is a MALE.[/quote] REALLY? NOW THAT THINGS ARE IN CAPS I'M MUCH CLEARER ABOUT THAT Check with your Pope, he said it not me.
HisChildForever Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1805031' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:25 PM']REALLY? NOW THAT THINGS ARE IN CAPS I'M MUCH CLEARER ABOUT THAT Check with your Pope, he said it not me.[/quote] The Pope said Christ is genderless?
Norseman82 Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='takebacktonight' post='1804988' date='Mar 12 2009, 03:54 PM']Seriously though, back to the article... I totally agree with HisChildForever. The notion that emotionality and inner spirituality are inherently female is bullfunky. Just take a look at the Promise Keepers. Those are some pretty emotional dudes totally dedicated to putting women back in their place, because it's God's will. Yes, women are socially conditioned to express or repress certain aspects of their character to conform to gender norms, as are men, but this has nothing to do with a percentage of 'innateness'.[/quote] The problem, in my observation, is not so much that there are the "feminine" attributes in the Church, but rather that many of what are considered "masculine" attributes have been pushed out - notably assertiveness and decisiveness. And I use the word "attribute" because these attributes need to be employed by BOTH genders (for example, both mother and father will need to be able to be assertive in order to say "NO!" to their children - and yes, this qualifies as a confrontation - when the need arises). Unfortunately, "confrontation" is a dirty word among many Christians today - many will say that "keeping the peace" is the most important thing. BOTH attributes are needed by BOTH genders and so BOTH need to coexist.
takebacktonight Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1805019' date='Mar 12 2009, 04:18 PM']I distinctly remember one instance where the priest at our Newman Center who substituted the word "humankind" for "mankind" and when I mentioned why he did not use the word "humanity", he replied that it wasn't satisfactory enough for the feminists.[/quote] I don't see how using humankind versus humanity (or, for goodness' sakes mankind) is of great relevance to feminists (and I am a HUGE one) Unless of course men are willing to use those words so they can later roll their eyes over how excessive and emotional these women are..
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