Proposal At U.n. To Criminalize 'defamation Of Islam'

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1818653' date='Mar 28 2009, 02:10 PM']I'm glad it passed. No one deserves to have their religious beliefs mocked or belittled.
I hope the one for the defamation of Christianity is next on the list.[/quote]


Thanks for letting us know that you oppose free speech. Are you willing to give up your own rights to free speech, since you think it's so fine and well and a good thing to take these same rights away from others?

Furthermore, the resolutionn is NOT about "mocking and belitting". It is about **criticism**.

And, I wonder if you have even asked yourself why this resolution didn't include any other religion in the first place.

Edited March 28, 2009 by Madame Vengier

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Veridicus' post='1818679' date='Mar 28 2009, 02:59 PM']Yeah well that's basically what happens anytime sacramental marriage, birth control, abortion, etc. etc. etc. are brought up in discussion at basically any academic institution in America. Mocking and Belittling. But as far as I know it's freedom of speech and I just have to bend over and take it. Maybe someday when active Catholics are reduced to a horribly small minority we will finally be protected by hate-speech laws or something.[/quote]


It's not about bending over and taking it. Criticism of our religion is an opportunity to engage in dialogue about it. It is a chance to evangelize, to explain and support our Faith vocally. If no one ever criticizes and/or asks questions, how do we have an open door to dialogue? What does Islam have to hide that makes Muslims so hell-bent on forcing non-Muslims not to question or critique it??

I want to clarify again: This resolution is NOT about protecting Islam from belittling and mockery. It is about protecting Islam from ***criticism***.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1818717' date='Mar 28 2009, 02:29 PM']Thanks for letting us know that you oppose free speech. Are you willing to give up your own rights to free speech, since you think it's so fine and well and a good thing to take these same rights away from others?

Furthermore, the resolutionn is NOT about "mocking and belitting". It is about **criticism**.

And, I wonder if you have even asked yourself why this resolution didn't include any other religion in the first place.[/quote]
Uh oh, it appears I've been branded a Mooslim-Sympathyser.

I'm comin to the clubhouse, Hassan.

[T-Bone _]

The UN can't arrest everyone...

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1818722' date='Mar 28 2009, 02:33 PM']It's not about bending over and taking it. Criticism of our religion is an opportunity to engage in dialogue about it. It is a chance to evangelize, to explain and support our Faith vocally. If no one ever criticizes and/or asks questions, how do we have an open door to dialogue?[/quote]


I was just venting sarcasm. I do appreciate the dialogue, just not people's arrogant dismissivness. There is no dialogue when some one says "Oh you are Catholic, no wonder you vote pro-life" and then dismisses everything else you say as if you were only as intelligent as a brainwashed sheep. Anyway, this is beyond the scope of this post...

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1818729' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:38 PM']Uh oh, it appears I've been branded a Mooslim-Sympathyser.

I'm comin to the clubhouse, Hassan.

[/quote]


You branded yourself that. I made no such statement or suggestion. I said you've let it be known that you don't value the rights to free speech of others. It's notable that you refused to respond to any of the three comments contained in that post.

Edited March 29, 2009 by Madame Vengier

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819074' date='Mar 28 2009, 09:47 PM']You branded yourself that. I made no such statement or suggestion. I said you've let it be known that you don't value the rights to free speech of others. It's notable that you refused to respond to any of the three comments contained in that post.[/quote]


Prolly because he was kidding. Remember when I was really, really dense and thouht that when you said "denial ain't just a river" you got "denial" confused eith "The Nile"? That, like his comment, was an attempt at what some call "humor". It's not usually a claim that is supposed to be taken on face value, it attempt to inject some comedic element into the discussion.

[Hassan]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1818729' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:38 PM']Uh oh, it appears I've been branded a Mooslim-Sympathyser.

I'm comin to the clubhouse, Hassan.

[/quote]




You're welcome to try out but you don't just willy nilly announce yourself a member of the secret muslim/"Mooslim-Sympathyser" club house.


It's really a pretty exacting qualification process.

we get no respect

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1819085' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:55 PM']


You're welcome to try out but you don't just willy nilly announce yourself a member of the secret muslim/"Mooslim-Sympathyser" club house.


It's really a pretty exacting qualification process.

we get no respect [/quote]
Well the Queen of America kicked me out, so you're basically my last hope!

[Hassan]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1819087' date='Mar 28 2009, 09:57 PM']Well the Queen of America kicked me out, so you're basically my last hope![/quote]

FINE!



If we keep doing this our street cred is going to plummet

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1819080' date='Mar 28 2009, 09:51 PM']Prolly because he was kidding. Remember when I was really, really dense and thouht that when you said "denial ain't just a river" you got "denial" confused eith "The Nile"? That, like his comment, was an attempt at what some call "humor". It's not usually a claim that is supposed to be taken on face value, it attempt to inject some comedic element into the discussion.[/quote]


See, the problem is, you're not funny. When attempting to make a **joke** it's supposed to be **funny**.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819139' date='Mar 28 2009, 10:25 PM']See, the problem is, you're not funny. When attempting to make a **joke** it's supposed to be **funny**.[/quote]

Actually the problem here is that you could not pick out pretty clear sarcasm on his part. Rather than admit that, say your sorry to him whatever the problem is someone else. That's all I think I will say to you on this on this thread.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1818746' date='Mar 28 2009, 01:49 PM']The UN can't arrest everyone...[/quote]
True.

I will continue to ignore the U.N. as I always have.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1819610' date='Mar 29 2009, 03:15 PM']True.

I will continue to ignore the U.N. as I always have.[/quote]
Agreed. I didn't vote for them, so their opinion carries no weight with me either.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1819824' date='Mar 29 2009, 08:49 PM']Agreed. I didn't vote for them, so their opinion carries no weight with me either.[/quote]


But their actions affect us.

[dominicansoul]

Why is the un getting involved with this? Criticism of Islam has been handled by the Muslims themselves for years! Suicide bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, massive acts of terrorism across the globe...the Muslims don't need the un's help defending their precious beliefs! They just wanted justification for their outlandish, murderous reactions to criticism. And not surprisingly, the un just gave it to them!

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1825933' date='Apr 6 2009, 01:04 AM']Why is the un getting involved with this? Criticism of Islam has been handled by the Muslims themselves for years! Suicide bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, massive acts of terrorism across the globe...the Muslims don't need the un's help defending their precious beliefs! They just wanted justification for their outlandish, murderous reactions to criticism. And not surprisingly, the un just gave it to them![/quote]


Get ahold of yourself! This is the religion of peace you're talking about! What are you, some kind of Islamophobe??

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1826145' date='Apr 6 2009, 05:54 AM']Get ahold of yourself! This is the religion of peace you're talking about! What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?? [/quote]
well I certainly will not be "hangin' in the clubhouse with Hassan!"