Apotheoun Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Once the liturgy has begun all baptized Christians should participate in it as a unified whole, i.e., as the [i]Totus Christus[/i]. In other words, the liturgical assembly should not be broken into groups once it has been summoned into being by the priest's act of convocation at the beginning of the Liturgy of the Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1820005' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:13 PM']I would agree, but what should be done when the parents AREN'T being the primary educators? I think that's probably why there are things like Children's Liturgy of the Word, now. It's either take the kids out or have them playing with cars and dolls and coloring and not paying attention at all anyway, because their parents won't make them....[/quote] So the REAL problem is the parents. So CLOW is basically something that is trying to cover parents who can't parent??!! ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/30+seconds+to+mars/track/attack"]30 Seconds to Mars - Attack[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1819966' date='Mar 29 2009, 09:46 PM']+J.M.J.+ that's your parents job, not necessarily the Church's job. it's the Church's job to help your parents do their job better, but the primary educators of the faith are THE PARENTS.[/quote] True as it may be, and I say this respectfully, please don't judge my family. Like MS said above, not every family is properly catechized and therefore aren't equipped to fulfill the responsibility of the children's formation in the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1820005' date='Mar 29 2009, 08:13 PM']I think that's probably why there are things like Children's Liturgy of the Word, now.[/quote] The real source of all of this is bad theology / ecclesiology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose wrought of iron Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Well.... Generally speaking, it is the parent's job. But there are cases where the mother has to deal with a lot of kids and the father is not there nor likely to ever be there. (remember that aunt I told you about, eagle_eye?) In cases like that, I think it would be a good idea to have something similar to help the mom because she can't make all of her kids behave at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' post='1820018' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:22 PM']True as it may be, and I say this respectfully, please don't judge my family. Like MS said above, not every family is properly catechized and therefore aren't equipped to fulfill the responsibility of the children's formation in the right way.[/quote] This is EXACTLY why this thread is inappropriate. When a group of people come together to criticize others, the group will begin to criticize each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='rose wrought of iron' post='1820024' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:26 PM']Well.... Generally speaking, it is the parent's job. But there are cases where the mother has to deal with a lot of kids and the father is not there nor likely to ever be there. (remember that aunt I told you about, eagle_eye?) In cases like that, I think it would be a good idea to have something similar to help the mom because she can't make all of her kids behave at the same time.[/quote] Yep. Point noted. ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/cake/track/the+distance"]Cake - The Distance[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1820030' date='Mar 29 2009, 11:30 PM']This is EXACTLY why this thread is inappropriate. When a group of people come together to criticize others, the group will begin to criticize each other.[/quote] You mean the little thing about how this thread has seemed to encourage malicious gossip and scandal; overall encouraging people to sin mortally in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1820030' date='Mar 29 2009, 11:30 PM']This is EXACTLY why this thread is inappropriate. When a group of people come together to criticize others, the group will begin to criticize each other.[/quote] It is not a personal criticism of missy or anyone else - no parent is perfect nor succeeds in all areas of childraising. Pointing out whose responsibility it is to educate children is simply pointing out the truth. Parents are the primary educators in all aspects of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='BG45' post='1820041' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:33 PM']You mean the little thing about how this thread has seemed to encourage malicious gossip and scandal; overall encouraging people to sin mortally in general?[/quote] Yes sir, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. How are we going to bring anyone to the faith if we, Catholics, say bitter things about other Catholics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1820046' date='Mar 29 2009, 11:35 PM']Yes sir, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. How are we going to bring anyone to the faith if we, Catholics, say bitter things about other Catholics?[/quote] Discussing and offering suggestions or opinions on various subjects is why most people post in the first place. No one is forced to participate in any thread on PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) [quote name='MissyP89' post='1820018' date='Mar 29 2009, 08:22 PM']True as it may be, and I say this respectfully, please don't judge my family. Like MS said above, not every family is properly catechized and therefore aren't equipped to fulfill the responsibility of the children's formation in the right way.[/quote] It is true that the intellectual formation of children in the faith is primarily the role of parents and only secondarily the role of catechists, but the point of the criticism being made in connection with so-called "Children's liturgy of the word" is that it is theologically unsound to divide up the Church once it has been summoned into being by the priest at the beginning of the liturgy. That said, if there needs to be a "study session" for children that is focused upon the biblical readings proclaimed at the liturgy, that type of "study session" should take place before or after the liturgy, and not during it. Edited March 30, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1820005' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:13 PM']I would agree, but what should be done when the parents AREN'T being the primary educators?[/quote] This was a genuine question, so if anyone has an answer, I would really like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1820052' date='Mar 29 2009, 10:38 PM']Discussing and offering suggestions or opinions on various subjects is why most people post in the first place. No one is forced to participate in any thread on PM.[/quote] This thread was created to complain about other Catholics and the way they behave at Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' post='1820018' date='Mar 29 2009, 07:22 PM']True as it may be, and I say this respectfully, please don't judge my family. Like MS said above, not every family is properly catechized and therefore aren't equipped to fulfill the responsibility of the children's formation in the right way.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ i wasn't judging your parents at all. sorry if you read it that way, but i was just making a statement of fact. i, in reality, don't know you or your parents at all, and therefore could not judge you or them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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