lost_in_this_world Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 here's the link: [url="http://catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15511"]Hillary Clinton in Mexico[/url]
isilzha Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I don't know who to blame more, Hillary for having been there before and still being oblivious or her staff for not filling her in.
cmotherofpirl Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I don't quite understand this. The state department is filled with professionals.
Didacus Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 [quote]This evening Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is set to receive the highest award given by Planned Parenthood Federation of America -- the Margaret Sanger Award, named for the organization's founder, a noted eugenicist. The award will be presented at a gala event in Houston, Texas.[/quote] Monsters glorifying monsters. This is akin to Mortgentaler receiving the order of Canada.
CatherineM Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1820480' date='Mar 30 2009, 02:02 PM']I don't quite understand this. The state department is filled with professionals.[/quote] If you think you know more or are smarter than anyone working for you, you can have the greatest professionals in the world under you, but it won't do you any good.
Madame Vengier Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Um, I'm not so sure this is a big deal. It seems like an honest mistake to me, really. As for her staff...does Hillary seem like someone who would have hired people who come from strong Catholic backgrounds and would know something about a holy icon in Mexico? I don't think so. Also, I know from experience that you really, really can't underestimate how little the previous and current generation knows about things religious. Really I'm amazed at some of the child-like things that pop of the mouths of my educated friends and acquaintences who are in their 20s and 30s when it comes to the Bible or religious customs and beliefs in general. I love the Monsignor's response though. "GOD." I'm actually pretty tickled that Hillary went there at all. The graces which flow from that place are unimaginable.
lost_in_this_world Posted March 30, 2009 Author Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) I'm not saying that she should have known beforehand but generally when you go to a certain place, you know a little bit of the background story. granted this was an unplanned visit, how long does it take to google it? and if you think her staff should have informed her i'm not surprised that they didnt. look at what congress does, they sign bills without even reading them. i just think that this government and the mistakes they have made already is almost laughable. its common sense. just like when Obama met with Gordon Brown. the exchange of gifts was pathetic. Brown gives us the resolute pen and pencil and a first edition of Churchill's biography, and what do we give Brown? Obama gives him 24 dvds on American History. It's embarassing and this is just another thing to add to the list. i'm getting really tired of stupid mistakes made by our government. that wasn't supposed to be a rant but i guess it turned into one whoops Edited March 30, 2009 by lost_in_this_world
Nihil Obstat Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Honestly, I find this kinda disturbing. Not entirely sure why, but I read this and just feel really really bad. Not just being sarcastic.
Saint Therese Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 It is disturbing. 1- Hillary and staff have no idea of the history/culture of the country they are engaging diplomatically. 2-Hillary and staff don't care they have no idea of history/culture of the country they are engaging diplomatically. 3- They seem to have no problem with one and two.
kafka Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 at least she offered some flowers and commented the Virgin was beautiful. Maybe she was offered some graces from Heaven for a future conversion.
Madame Vengier Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1820940' date='Mar 31 2009, 02:04 AM']It is disturbing.[/quote] Disturbing enough that she deserves to be called "stupid" for it? Excuse me, but weren't you the one lecturing me in another thread about charity? But maybe that only applies to people who are already Catholic and/or new converts.
Madame Vengier Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 [quote name='kafka' post='1820948' date='Mar 31 2009, 02:30 AM']at least she offered some flowers and commented the Virgin was beautiful. Maybe she was offered some graces from Heaven for a future conversion.[/quote] Exaaaaaaaactly. But don't bother trying to explain that to people who have their minds made up, clearly.
add Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 "Who painted it?" Hillary cannot possibly be so ignorant can she?" This had to have been a calculated statement. This occurred just before Clinton's visit to Houston to attend a Planned Parenthood banquet attended by 800. Outside in protest were 990 prayerful protesters dressed in red. Not one major TV station covered this protest except for the local Fox station. I wonder if Hillary understands that Our Lady of Guadalupe is the patroness of the Americas, and that, as an American citizen, Our Lady is "her virgin", too?
Madame Vengier Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1820930' date='Mar 31 2009, 01:36 AM']Honestly, I find this kinda disturbing. Not entirely sure why, but I read this and just feel really really bad. Not just being sarcastic. [/quote] No surprise. This thread is full of Catholics who clearly don't have too, too much concern for the soul of this woman, nor are willing to show one single ounce of joy that she even visited the Basilica in the first place, and CLEARLY no compassion for the lack of religious exposure she and her staff have had (it's notable that comments on this point went totally ignored). What makes any of you think the whole world should know and understand everything that Catholics believe anyway?? Have some humility. The world doesn't revolve around Catholics. The opinions of the Catholics in this thread, referring to Hillary has stupid, and practically calling down hellfire for her apparently egregious oversight and "disturbing" mistake...these opinions are embarrassing and shameful. And I'm going to remember every one of them the next time you all are lecturing someone else about charity and compassion in some other thread.
Madame Vengier Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1820897' date='Mar 31 2009, 01:02 AM']Our country is being run by morons.[/quote] That's nice. As previously stated elsewhere, your goal in life is to "become a saint" is that correct? Normally, I would agree that our country is being run by morons (and the same can be said about a lot of things) but not because some poor woman didn't know the story of Guadalupe but chose to visit our Basilica ANYWAY.
Madame Vengier Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 [quote name='apparently' post='1820996' date='Mar 31 2009, 07:23 AM']"Who painted it?" Hillary cannot possibly be so ignorant can she?" This had to have been a calculated statement. [/quote] Ya'll are really something.
homeschoolmom Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Honestly, I don't think too much of it. When I was younger and Protestanter, I was in Mexico and visited the Bascilica. Had I not been prepped, I could see myself saying the same thing. The point is, though, she should have been prepped by someone.
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