I Am A Right-wing Extremist!

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
i heard that supposedly this agency came out with a report in January about 'left-wing extremists'. but i can't find anything to back that up. anyone?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Hilde' post='1837157' date='Apr 16 2009, 09:00 AM']Right wing extremist means neo-nazi here.[/quote]
Naziism is a left-wing thing.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1839236' date='Apr 18 2009, 12:23 AM']+J.M.J.+
i heard that supposedly this agency came out with a report in January about 'left-wing extremists'. but i can't find anything to back that up. anyone?[/quote]


There is no such thing. They are liars. There is also not one single report from the DHS on Islamic jihad, despite thousands upon thousands of dead bodies--and our giant, gaping hole in New York--attesting to its existence.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1839359' date='Apr 17 2009, 11:05 PM']Naziism is a left-wing thing.[/quote]
Wrong. Nazism has its roots in conservative ideas, not liberal ones.

Edited April 19, 2009 by fidei defensor

[Nihil Obstat]

Hitler was an opportunist. So was Mussolini. I think when they're nice they'll say "pragmatic".
If my memory is correct, they both started off as socialists and only got more radically fascist when they realized that they would never get into power as a socialist.

[Socrates]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1840550' date='Apr 19 2009, 03:42 PM']Wrong. Nazism has its roots in conservative ideas, not liberal ones.[/quote]
"Nazi" is short for National German Socialist Worker's Party. It's a form of socialism. Today's "liberalism" would be more accurately described as socialism.
And the Obama administration's "nationalizing" of businesses and banking and increasing federal government control over businesses and the economy is certainly similar to the policies of Hitler's National Socialism.

Nazism was labeled "right-wing" because it opposed their rivals, the "Left-wing" Communists (also socialist). Conservatives in 1930s Germany were monarchists, who were strongly opposed to the Nazis.

National Socialism has little in common with American conservatism.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1839236' date='Apr 17 2009, 11:23 PM']+J.M.J.+
i heard that supposedly this agency came out with a report in January about 'left-wing extremists'. but i can't find anything to back that up. anyone?[/quote]
It's mentioned in the Fox article. I earlier cited that quote concerning it:[quote]"Their leftwing assessment identifies actual terrorist organizations, like the Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front," House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said in a statement issued Wednesday. "The rightwing report uses broad generalizations about veterans, pro-life groups, federalists and supporters of gun rights. That's like saying if you love puppies, you might be susceptible to recruitment by the Animal Liberation Front. It is ridiculous and deeply offensive to millions of Americans."[/quote]

While the "leftwing" report lists actual terrorist organizations, the "rightwing" report lists only dissident "extremist" ideas.

To have ideas dissenting with those of the left-wing Obama administration is to be labeled a potentially-dangerous "extremist" by our government.

Edited April 19, 2009 by Socrates

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1840786' date='Apr 19 2009, 05:48 PM']"Nazi" is short for National German Socialist Worker's Party. It's a form of socialism. Today's "liberalism" would be more accurately described as socialism.
And the Obama administration's "nationalizing" of businesses and banking and increasing federal government control over businesses and the economy is certainly similar to the policies of Hitler's National Socialism.

Nazism was labeled "right-wing" because it opposed their rivals, the "Left-wing" Communists (also socialist). Conservatives in 1930s Germany were monarchists, who were strongly opposed to the Nazis.

National Socialism has little in common with American conservatism.[/quote]
However, if we look at what the idea of being conservative really means, nazism fits much better in that category.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1840942' date='Apr 19 2009, 09:19 PM']However, if we look at what the idea of being conservative really means, nazism fits much better in that category.[/quote]
...in your liberal left/leaning mind it does...

conservatism is not socialism, and Nazi's were national [i]socialists[/i]....

...i think this is why liberals get things wrong from the very beginning...they don't even know the definition of what a conservative really is...

...even worse, most liberals don't even know the true definition of what a liberal really is...

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1839176' date='Apr 17 2009, 11:53 PM']But, oh well, I'm obviously a crazy, paranoid rightwing extremist who needs to stop worrying and learn to love Big Brother.[/quote]

I don't know... throwing out adjectives like "crazy" makes one sound more like a crying 10-year-old than someone educated in politics who has sober, valid reasoning to believe there's a serious threat to our freedom on the horizon. For that matter, there are always serious threats to our freedom... it wasn't so long ago that we lived in daily fear of Communism, or mafia gangs and unrestricted power of capitalism during the Industrial Age. Should we round up the troops for every perceivable threat? Would be exhausting after a while...

Edited April 20, 2009 by LouisvilleFan

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1841438' date='Apr 20 2009, 12:08 PM']...in your liberal left/leaning mind it does...

conservatism is not socialism, and Nazi's were national [i]socialists[/i]....

...i think this is why liberals get things wrong from the very beginning...they don't even know the definition of what a conservative really is...

...even worse, most liberals don't even know the true definition of what a liberal really is...[/quote]
It doesn't matter what they called themselves. They were conservative in their beliefs about everything, from hating the gays to not wanting anything to do with communism.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1841472' date='Apr 20 2009, 01:06 PM']It doesn't matter what they called themselves. They were conservative in their beliefs about everything, from hating the gays to not wanting anything to do with communism.[/quote]

Hating gays is a conservative thing?


You better go tell the Log Cabin Republicans that. (Along with my ex-girlfriend's father, who was extremely liberal, but the biggest homophobe I have ever met.)

[ardillacid]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1840942' date='Apr 19 2009, 10:19 PM']However, if we look at what the idea of being conservative really means, nazism fits much better in that category.[/quote]
They were anti-big government? For less spending and less taxation?

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1841502' date='Apr 20 2009, 02:01 PM']They were anti-big government? For less spending and less taxation?[/quote]

No. You're talking to a liberal here.

Here's the thought line: (if you can call it a "thought")


Conservative = big fat meanie = Nazi/Fascist

[dominicansoul]

holocaust=murdering jews=abortion=murdering the unborn=anti-God=socialist/marxist=nazi socialists=liberals=obama administration

Hey, we conservatives can play that game too! (except it makes much more sense....)

[Winchester]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1840550' date='Apr 19 2009, 03:42 PM']Wrong. Nazism has its roots in conservative ideas, not liberal ones.[/quote]
Left wing and liberal aren't synonyms. Stay on target, porkins.

[Socrates]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1840942' date='Apr 19 2009, 09:19 PM']However, if we look at what the idea of being conservative really means, nazism fits much better in that category.[/quote]
Yeah, because we all know conservatism is [i]really[/i] all about genocide and fascism, and national socialism.

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1841472' date='Apr 20 2009, 02:06 PM']It doesn't matter what they called themselves. They were conservative in their beliefs about everything, from hating the gays to not wanting anything to do with communism.[/quote]
Yeah, conservative in their beliefs about [i]everything[/i], like their belief in socialism, wanting government control of private business and the economy and everything else, restricting the rights of citizens to bear arms, mandatory government "service" for the youth, and and state control over and persecution of the Church. . . .

[b]“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.” ~ Adolf Hitler, 1927.[/b]

[b]"Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same." ~ Hitler, 1941[/b]

Yeah, sounds like conservatism to me. . .

As for "gays," prominent Nazi leaders like SA leader Ernst Rohm were proudly homosexual. It was only after their homosexuality became a liability that Hitler became officially opposed to homosexuality.

"Fidei," please kindly take your ignorant off-topic flaming elsewhere. Thank you.

Edited April 21, 2009 by Socrates

[Guest]

I hope Hitler burns in hell forever while reading old Budge theads.

[Socrates]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1841447' date='Apr 20 2009, 01:28 PM']I don't know... throwing out adjectives like "crazy" makes one sound more like a crying 10-year-old than someone educated in politics who has sober, valid reasoning to believe there's a serious threat to our freedom on the horizon.[/quote]
That was intended as sarcastic humor, though perhaps it was lost on you.
But throwing out phrases like "crying 10-year-old" sounds more like childish ad hominems than real debate.
You have failed to respond to the rest of what myself, WillT and others have said concerning the report, which your first remarks indicate you have made no effort to read beyond half of one sentence.

Plotting violent terrorist acts is already illegal - whatever one's political ideology or lack thereof.
What is the point of this government report listing various "rightwing" views as "extremism"?


[quote]For that matter, there are always serious threats to our freedom... it wasn't so long ago that we lived in daily fear of Communism, or mafia gangs and unrestricted power of capitalism during the Industrial Age. Should we round up the troops for every perceivable threat? Would be exhausting after a while...[/quote]
That would be the government rounding up troops . . .

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Are you implying that threats to freedom such as Communism should not have been opposed in the past, or that current threats to our freedom should be ignored?
Vigilance is the cost of freedom.

And if this whole topic has no interest to you, why post in this thread?

[Winchester]

The major government-sponsored extermination campaigns in recent history have always from from the left wing because the citizen, to the left wing mindset, is property of the state.