God In Public Schools

[tinytherese]

A few things about public schools would bother me for sending my children there if I would be called to marriage; sexual education or "comprehensive" sexual education, the academic reputation of the school, and the criminal activity possibly going on among the students. I realize that not all public schools are swimming in criminal activity, it's just that some of them are like that. I know that my catholic high school wasn't speaky clean when it came to the behaviors of the kids, but compared to the kids at the public schools we were little angels. My catholic middle school and high school were very academically challenging and as a freshman in college in my english composition class I was the only one in who had done term papers before. I had started papers like that in eighth grade. So I'd feel torn. I suppose that it depends on the school.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1856973' date='May 3 2009, 11:27 PM']Well, no offense because I like you personally, but I'm really glad you have you consequential power in the US.[/quote]

I take it you're probably glad, then, that Bl. Pius IX didn't either...

[Hassan]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1857151' date='May 3 2009, 11:24 PM']I take it you're probably glad, then, that Bl. Pius IX didn't either...[/quote]


Yep. Al-Ghazali as well

[CatherineM]

[quote name='tinytherese' post='1857116' date='May 3 2009, 11:07 PM']A few things about public schools would bother me for sending my children there if I would be called to marriage; sexual education or "comprehensive" sexual education, the academic reputation of the school, and the criminal activity possibly going on among the students. I realize that not all public schools are swimming in criminal activity, it's just that some of them are like that. I know that my catholic high school wasn't speaky clean when it came to the behaviors of the kids, but compared to the kids at the public schools we were little angels. My catholic middle school and high school were very academically challenging and as a freshman in college in my english composition class I was the only one in who had done term papers before. I had started papers like that in eighth grade. So I'd feel torn. I suppose that it depends on the school.[/quote]

We had really good sex education in parochial school. They wanted to make sure we knew what it was we weren't supposed to be doing.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1857156' date='May 4 2009, 12:26 AM']Yep. Al-Ghazali as well[/quote]

I think everybody should be Catholic, no exceptions.

Edited May 4, 2009 by Resurrexi

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1857165' date='May 3 2009, 11:34 PM']I think everybody should be Catholic, no exceptions.[/quote]

I think Jesus agrees with you on that one.

[tinytherese]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1857162' date='May 4 2009, 12:33 AM']We had really good sex education in parochial school. They wanted to make sure we knew what it was we weren't supposed to be doing.[/quote]

If it was about chastity then I'd be all for it (provided that they didn't scare the kids into doing it.) Sexual education in public schools however just sickens me. Living pure in today's world is rough enough as it is without teenagers being lured at school into thinking that premarital sex is fine or that they should at least use contraceptives if they want to do it (which is a load of bull that only encourages such behavior and doesn't even inform the kids on what the contraceptive companies are hiding regarding the side affects of their products.) I've heard that even supposed "comprehensive" sexual education classes in public schools cross the line of decency big time.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1856424' date='May 3 2009, 10:43 AM']I think that all public schools should teach Catholic theology and try to convert the children to Catholicism, and that if a parent doesn't want their children to be proselytized and taught Catholicism, that parent ought not to send their children to public schools.[/quote]

I am a devout catholic but what gives us the right to force our religion on others in a public school? Why do other religions not get to do the same thing? Your comments come off as very ignorent. public school are schools that can not and should not adheare to one specific religion, that's what religious schools are for. to force any religion on people is wrong period.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858047' date='May 4 2009, 08:55 PM']I am a devout catholic but what gives us the right to force our religion on others in a public school? Why do other religions not get to do the same thing? Your comments come off as very ignorent. public school are schools that can not and should not adheare to one specific religion, that's what religious schools are for. to force any religion on people is wrong period.[/quote]

Our God is God. What right do we have to deny Him, His right to be placed at the forefront of all things and all people[color="#000000"]?[/color]

We would rather be f[i]oo[/i]l for Christ, than to claim to follow Him yet ban the Holy Host of Heaven from anywhere or anyone.

Edited May 5, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858047' date='May 4 2009, 09:55 PM']I am a devout catholic but what gives us the right to force our religion on others in a public school? Why do other religions not get to do the same thing? Your comments come off as very ignorent. public school are schools that can not and should not adheare to one specific religion, that's what religious schools are for. to force any religion on people is wrong period.[/quote]

I would be against forcing parents of non-Catholics to raise their children Catholic But the ideal relationship of Church to State would be one where Catholicism would be the official state religion and where the Church would be given special privileges given to no other community, whether religious or secular. It would only make sense, then, that Catholicism would be taught in all government schools. If a parent did not want their child proselytized, then that parent would home-school their children or send them to a private school.

[havok579257]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1858217' date='May 5 2009, 08:17 AM']Our God is God. What right do we have to deny Him, His right to be placed at the forefront of all things and all people[color="#000000"]?[/color]

We would rather be f[i]oo[/i]l for Christ, than to claim to follow Him yet ban the Holy Host of Heaven from anywhere or anyone.[/quote]


Jesus did not force people to follow him, which he easily could have. He gave the people of the world a choice. Jesus knew forcing people to do something will not really get them to believe, they need to choose that for themself.

The problem of forcing every school to become a catholic school is what happens when a Muslium thinks that his religion and his God should be taught in every school and that should be the state religion? Who gets their way? Also why should people be forced to follow a religion they don't believe in? Should I be forced to become muslium because muslium's want the entire country forced to become a muslium state? The problem you get when trying to force a certain religion on the state is that all other religions will want that also and eventually your bound to have a faith war on your hands.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1858218' date='May 5 2009, 08:25 AM']I would be against forcing parents of non-Catholics to raise their children Catholic But the ideal relationship of Church to State would be one where Catholicism would be the official state religion and where the Church would be given special privileges given to no other community, whether religious or secular. It would only make sense, then, that Catholicism would be taught in all government schools. If a parent did not want their child proselytized, then that parent would home-school their children or send them to a private school.[/quote]


but what's the difference between muslium's in the middle east who believe like this? should they be able to force everyone in the middle east to have to go to muslium only school's and have muslium be the state religon? the problem with thinking anyone religion has the right to be the religion for the entire country, is everyone else thinks their religion should be the state religion.

[Winchester]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858047' date='May 4 2009, 09:55 PM']I am a devout catholic but what gives us the right to force our religion on others in a public school? Why do other religions not get to do the same thing? Your comments come off as very ignorent. public school are schools that can not and should not adheare to one specific religion, that's what religious schools are for. to force any religion on people is wrong period.[/quote]
Other religions are not equal to Catholicism. That's why other religions would not get the same treatment, were society as it should be.

Teaching a religion is not the same as "forcing" it on people. A great many things in school, from that perspective, are "forced" on people.

Without religion properly governing the curriculum, atheism steps in and then you get children reading books about two mommies and how that's completely okay. Without the proper religion, there is no reason to avoid teaching pragmatism. Something will replace Catholicism if it isn't in the school, and that something will not have the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

[Winchester]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858361' date='May 5 2009, 10:36 AM']but what's the difference between muslium's in the middle east who believe like this?[/quote]
Catholicism is right.

If you don't believe that, you might as well hang up the funny hat and crozier.

[Winchester]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858360' date='May 5 2009, 10:32 AM']The problem you get when trying to force a certain religion on the state is that all other religions will want that also and eventually your bound to have a faith war on your hands.[/quote]
The alternative to [i]that [/i]is a godless state that approves homosexual marriage, abortion and hedonism in general, which I see as a far worse human rights abuse than requiring some non-Catholic kids to spend a class period in study hall if they opt out of theology (or bringing in their own religious teachers, perhaps).

[havok579257]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1858382' date='May 5 2009, 11:02 AM']Catholicism is right.

If you don't believe that, you might as well hang up the funny hat and crozier.[/quote]

yes, i believe that but how many musliums's when you tell them the catholic church is thr gith one and from now on will be the religion of choice in this country will either agree or go along without a fight?

[havok579257]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1858381' date='May 5 2009, 11:01 AM']Other religions are not equal to Catholicism. That's why other religions would not get the same treatment, were society as it should be.Teaching a religion is not the same as "forcing" it on people. A great many things in school, from that perspective, are "forced" on people.Without religion properly governing the curriculum, atheism steps in and then you get children reading books about two mommies and how that's completely okay. Without the proper religion, there is no reason to avoid teaching pragmatism. Something will replace Catholicism if it isn't in the school, and that something will not have the guidance of the Holy Spirit.[/quote]

That's not true since the country has never had catholisism as the state religion and students 50 years ago were not learning as such things as being ok. Having God be taught in school and him being a driving force in education is different than having catholisim being the state religion. Now if you were talking about christianity and the bible being centerpieces of public schools, then i can't disagree with that. Since the major majority of this country identifies themselfs as christian and with christianity you can focus on God and the bible and most people will agree on such teachings.

[Winchester]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858384' date='May 5 2009, 11:09 AM']yes, i believe that but how many musliums's when you tell them the catholic church is thr gith one and from now on will be the religion of choice in this country will either agree or go along without a fight?[/quote]
There would likely be a fight. There would likely be corruption and abuse of the position. There would likely be collapse of the state. Just like on an individual level--the attempt to do things right often fails, but it does not excuse one from attempting to do what is right in the first place.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1858383' date='May 5 2009, 11:05 AM']The alternative to [i]that [/i]is a godless state that approves homosexual marriage, abortion and hedonism in general, which I see as a far worse human rights abuse than requiring some non-Catholic kids to spend a class period in study hall if they opt out of theology (or bringing in their own religious teachers, perhaps).[/quote]


We've never had a catholic state or public school run by catholisims and up until the last 50 or so odd years, none of these things were in the public school systems. Having a christian influence in schools is one thing, having catholisism run schools is another. I mean would you be ok with a protenstant run public school system if they ran it the same way you said? If not, then what gives us the right to force catholisims on students but protenstants can force their religon on them?

[Winchester]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1858386' date='May 5 2009, 11:14 AM']That's not true since the country has never had catholisism as the state religion and students 50 years ago were not learning as such things as being ok. Having God be taught in school and him being a driving force in education is different than having catholisim being the state religion. Now if you were talking about christianity and the bible being centerpieces of public schools, then i can't disagree with that. Since the major majority of this country identifies themselfs as christian and with christianity you can focus on God and the bible and most people will agree on such teachings.[/quote]
I'm not speaking about the history of the United States, although it's an excellent example of the logical conclusion of a non-Catholic state. True, Catholic states fall to corruption, but it's because of human failure, not because of logic.

The majority of the country likes calling themselves Christian, perhaps, but they resemble in their beliefs Christians as much as a donkey resembles a toadstool. Christianity is more an adornment now than it has ever been in a society.