princessgianna Posted May 16, 2009 Posted May 16, 2009 So why is that a big deal? I (personally) find it to be a sweet gesture however I have done no background study. And how is that abuse? Thanks Gina
cmotherofpirl Posted May 16, 2009 Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='princessgianna' post='1868827' date='May 16 2009, 04:30 PM']So why is that a big deal? I (personally) find it to be a sweet gesture however I have done no background study. And how is that abuse? Thanks Gina[/quote] Only a priest can bless someone elses child.
MissyP89 Posted May 16, 2009 Posted May 16, 2009 There are certain types of blessings--one is liturgical and the other is by laypeople. The liturgical one is from a priest. Only priests have actual God-given power to bless. When other people try to act like priests, it takes away from their authority, which is abusive. That's how I see it, anyway. There's nothing wrong with saying "May God bless you", but actually laying hands and acting as the priest would is wrong.
princessgianna Posted May 16, 2009 Author Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1868831' date='May 16 2009, 02:34 PM']Only a priest can bless someone elses child.[/quote] well the priest does! *confused* *sudden realization* OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh when the lay people do that-it's abuse! yea that's wrong! Sorry I was thinking that when a Mom goes up to communion the priest will bless the little child. and some people thought that to be abuse. my mistake.
princessgianna Posted May 16, 2009 Author Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' post='1868835' date='May 16 2009, 02:37 PM']There are certain types of blessings--one is liturgical and the other is by laypeople. The liturgical one is from a priest. Only priests have actual God-given power to bless. When other people try to act like priests, it takes away from their authority, which is abusive. That's how I see it, anyway. There's nothing wrong with saying "May God bless you", but actually laying hands and acting as the priest would is wrong.[/quote] Right thanks! that is when the lay people try to bless the kids. k got it thanks
Nihil Obstat Posted May 17, 2009 Posted May 17, 2009 I've talked to certain people that get *really* uptight when I bring this up. Ignorant Catholicism disturbs and frustrates me.
picchick Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 Lay people no priests yes I have had lay people pray over people who come up but do not recieve. "May God protect you." I see no problem with that.
Brigid Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 at my church the EMHC put their hand on the kid (if they can reach, they don't go out of their way) and say "Jesus bless you". so what does that fall under? because they are laying their hand on them, but it sounds like the blessing itself is okay.
KnightofChrist Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Brigid' post='1869934' date='May 17 2009, 10:10 PM']at my church the EMHC put their hand on the kid (if they can reach, they don't go out of their way) and say "Jesus bless you". so what does that fall under? because they are laying their hand on them, but it sounds like the blessing itself is okay.[/quote] It is an abuse.
Brigid Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1869943' date='May 17 2009, 11:16 PM']It is an abuse.[/quote] dang. well, sadly, I'm not surprised.
Nihil Obstat Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 Even what they do that's technically allowed is *so* borderline. The average person doesn't really distinguish between someone saying "May God bless you" and "I bless you". To most people it all falls under "giving a blessing." This I know for sure. I'd probably prefer if the practice was 100% eliminated, instead of being 'technically' all right.
Apotheoun Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1869717' date='May 17 2009, 06:27 PM']I have had lay people pray over people who come up but do not recieve. "May God protect you." I see no problem with that.[/quote] It is not their place to do what you are talking about. In fact, they have been deputed simply to distribute communion, and that type of deputation of the laity should only be done in extraordinary situations.
StColette Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1868831' date='May 16 2009, 03:34 PM']Only a priest can bless someone elses child.[/quote] or Deacon
she_who_is_not Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 During RCIA, I would go up for a blessing during communion and the lay ministers would sometimes give a blessing. I just assumed they were allowed to do this. It is good to know!
mcts Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1870119' date='May 18 2009, 08:50 AM']or Deacon [/quote] the bishop blessed my baby cousin last week at my brother's confirmation it was so cute i could hardly stand it
StColette Posted May 18, 2009 Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='mcts' post='1870172' date='May 18 2009, 12:05 PM']the bishop blessed my baby cousin last week at my brother's confirmation it was so cute i could hardly stand it [/quote] Bishops fall into the category of priests so he's covered in the topic
inunionwithrome Posted May 19, 2009 Posted May 19, 2009 In our parish, the EM's are allowed to give a simple gesture. I know because I serve as one. We are allowed to give them the sign of the cross on the forhead. I may say May God bless you protect you and keep you. It is not the same as a Sacramental blessing which the priest or deacon gives. Technically in a dire or serious situation a lay person can also baptize a person if they are about to die and no priest is available.
Guest sarahdab Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' post='1868835' date='May 16 2009, 02:37 PM']There are certain types of blessings--one is liturgical and the other is by laypeople. The liturgical one is from a priest. Only priests have actual God-given power to bless. When other people try to act like priests, it takes away from their authority, which is abusive. That's how I see it, anyway. There's nothing wrong with saying "May God bless you", but actually laying hands and acting as the priest would is wrong.[/quote] This is actually interesting, my dad and I were having this conversation just the other day. When you say "May God bless you" You are giving a blessing (which only a priest can do.) When you say "God Bless you" (like when someone sneezes) it is just common curtousy, you are basically saying I'm praying for God to bless you.
mcts Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1870185' date='May 18 2009, 11:28 AM']Bishops fall into the category of priests so he's covered in the topic [/quote] yeah, i know, but it was so cute i thought i'd share
HisChildForever Posted May 22, 2009 Posted May 22, 2009 What kinds of words distinguish between a blessing and a prayer? If an extraordinary minister, for instance, simply nods to the child and says "God grant you many graces" or something to that effect, how is that different from praying for someone at night, when we say "Lord, please grant ___ many graces."
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