New Prostitution Poll

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908740' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:55 PM']I think the point that St. Augustine was trying to make is that prostitution controls sexual immorality in a sense. If men can seek immorality among the prostitutes, then they will not seek it elsewhere as often. Rather than having all levels of society infected with sexual immorality, mainly the prostitutes are infected.[/quote]


Well I also think, as distasteful as this is, that in a society where there prostitution is legal and safe and more or less accepted men are more likely to [i]value[/i] a women who is pure because he can satisfy his baser desires with a prostitute who is obviously impure. As that aspect of society has changed men have come more and more to simply not value women at all, to only value sex with women.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908567' date='Jul 2 2009, 10:04 PM']There are actually many goods that could come from the legalization of prostitution.

If prostitution were legalized, it would be easier for men to avoid sinning with honorable women.

Also, more women might remain virgins before they married.

Prostitutes might be able to avoid drugs and violence, and the condition of their life might improve if prostitution were not associated with illegal activity.[/quote]



[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908740' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:55 PM']I think the point that St. Augustine was trying to make is that prostitution controls sexual immorality in a sense. If men can seek immorality among the prostitutes, then they will not seek it elsewhere as often. Rather than having all levels of society infected with sexual immorality, mainly the prostitutes are infected.[/quote]

Res,

I think you need to change your screenname to Marianna Trench, because this is the deepest I've seen anyone go off the deep end in some time.

First, while I'm all for women remaining virgins until they arer married, what about the men? There should not be a double standard. They should not be sinning with either honorable OR dishonorable women.

Second, I remember someone posting an article here about brothels in Nevada, the only place in the USA where prostitution is legal. For health reasons, the prostitutes basically are under house arrest for fear of them getting infection, which is a perfect segway into my third point.

Third, you talk about
[quote]Rather than having all levels of society infected with sexual immorality, mainly the prostitutes are infected[/quote]

What about the male customers of the prostitutes? Are they not infected with sexual immorality?

And speaking of infections, do you realize that the AIDS crisis in southern Africa is the result of men working away from home utilizing prostitutes and catching AIDS from them and then going back home to infect their wives?

Edited July 3, 2009 by Norseman82

[philothea]

(Read about this a few years back. Haven't paid attention to the situation to know if it's been changed.)

In Germany, I believe, prostitution is legal.

In most industrialized countries, including Germany, in order to be eligible for unemployment payments, an applicant has to show that they've been applying for jobs and been passed over.

Not surprisingly, the bordellos in Germany have a hard time getting enough prostitutes. It's not exactly a dream job. But, once it was legal, women who lost their jobs also had to apply to be prostitutes. Which, of course, they were accepted for...

These were well-educated women, often married and/or with children. Making something very unsavory and unethical legal can have all kinds of unanticipated ramifications.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='philothea' post='1908794' date='Jul 3 2009, 12:23 AM'](Read about this a few years back. Haven't paid attention to the situation to know if it's been changed.)

In Germany, I believe, prostitution is legal.

In most industrialized countries, including Germany, in order to be eligible for unemployment payments, an applicant has to show that they've been applying for jobs and been passed over.

Not surprisingly, the bordellos in Germany have a hard time getting enough prostitutes. It's not exactly a dream job. But, once it was legal, women who lost their jobs also had to apply to be prostitutes. Which, of course, they were accepted for...

These were well-educated women, often married and/or with children. Making something very unsavory and unethical legal can have all kinds of unanticipated ramifications. [/quote]


Well this is a bit of an exageration, but yes some women in parts of Germany were denied unemployment because there were jobs available, namly being a prostitute. But last I heard there were only a few cases in one region of germany, and the women did not become prostitutes they just didn't recieve unemployment. Obviously that is atrocious, but is it wose then what so many women ion our country do, they find a man to shack up with and live off him, until he tires of her or she finds a better guy. Isn't she just prostituting herself for a place to live?

Edited July 3, 2009 by Don John of Austria

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1908782' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:17 PM']What about the male customers of the prostitutes? Are they not infected with sexual immorality?[/quote]

The men are certainly infected with sexual immorality. From my observation (and apparently from St. Augustine's) that is not exactly controllable.

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1908782' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:17 PM']And speaking of infections, do you realize that the AIDS crisis in southern Africa is the result of men working away from home utilizing prostitutes and catching AIDS from them and then going back home to infect their wives?[/quote]

Are there regularly scheduled venereal disease tests for prostitutes in Africa?

Edited July 3, 2009 by Resurrexi

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908800' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:29 PM']The men are certainly infected with sexual immorality. From my observation (and apparently from St. Augustine's) [b]that is not exactly controllable[/b].[/quote]
I fervently disagree.

[Resurrexi]

Would you agree that young men are more avid seekers of impurity than young women?

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908807' date='Jul 3 2009, 12:35 AM']Would you agree that young men are more avid seekers of impurity than young women?[/quote]


I am not sure anymore. I am a teacher, and the girls are at least as interested in "getting some" as the boys.

[Resurrexi]

I didn't know that teachers usually overheard such conversations.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908813' date='Jul 3 2009, 12:38 AM']I didn't know that teachers usually overheard such conversations.

[/quote]


Silly boy. I hear everything.

heck you don't want to know what I have [i]seen.[/i]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908813' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:38 PM']I didn't know that teachers usually overheard such conversations.

[/quote]
That's because you're fifteen.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908813' date='Jul 3 2009, 12:38 AM']I didn't know that teachers usually overheard such conversations.

[/quote]

You've never heard the rumors that nuns have eyes on the backs of their heads?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1908826' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:43 PM']You've never heard the rumors that nuns have eyes on the backs of their heads?[/quote]

I wasn't aware that Don John was a nun.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908835' date='Jul 3 2009, 12:46 AM']I wasn't aware that Don John was a nun.

[/quote]


No defiantly not a nun.

[Don John of Austria]

No comments on my points?

[kafka]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1908858' date='Jul 3 2009, 12:55 AM']No comments on my points?[/quote]
When discussing Catholic ethics/morals I like to stick to abstract principles (wisdom) as opposed to their application (prudence), so I guess I really dont have much to comment on, but thanks for sharing.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908807' date='Jul 2 2009, 11:35 PM']Would you agree that young men are more avid seekers of impurity than young women?[/quote]

We had a thread about that topic awhile ago. It went to a zillion pages.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1908740' date='Jul 2 2009, 09:55 PM']I think the point that St. Augustine was trying to make is that prostitution controls sexual immorality in a sense. If men can seek immorality among the prostitutes, then they will not seek it elsewhere as often. Rather than having all levels of society infected with sexual immorality, mainly the prostitutes are infected.[/quote]

Most people living in sexual sin, Rex, live with and/ or have some emotional bond with their partner. As sexually active as my peers are, few of them are out looking for sex from complete strangers. Making prostitution available is not going to prevent men who want to have sex with their girlfriends from doing so. And if it does, if they do go to prostitutes on the side and then have their "honorable girlfriend/wife" on the other hand, that will just result in more failed marriages.

That's like saying high schools should provide pornography and contraception to students because if they give it to them, they can control what type of pornography it is, and it'll be safer because they won't get it from shady people on the street. Yeah. Right.

The reason the government has a more appropriate role in outlawing prostitution (and I would also say Pornography) rather than all fornication, is because the government properly has a role in governing commerce, and prostitution is commerce, the exchange of sex for material goods or legal tender.

And Rex, please stop talking about human beings (namely prostitutes) like they're trash to be used to keep society nice and clean.

[zunshynn]

[quote]Also, more women might remain virgins before they married.[/quote]

No they won't the more sex is looked at as a commodity, which the legalisation of prostitution would promote, the more readily the value of virginity will be disregarded.

[quote]Prostitutes might be able to avoid drugs and violence, and the condition of their life might improve if prostitution were not associated with illegal activity.[/quote]

If you've ever read about prostitution in the old west, you'd know this wasn't true. They basically became slaves of the brothel owners. They had a place to stay and food, sure, but they couldn't get out if they wanted to. If it's legal they will just be more entrenched by it.

That's like saying if we legalize abortion than these impoverished families will not soak up so much tax dollars of honorable citizens because they won't be put into foster care, or welfare, or whatever. Because the rate of sexual promiscuity went up with the legalisation of abortion that just means that, yeah, we killed a lot of such children that we as a society no longer have to pay for, but they do still have a lot of children that they don't abort, but that are neglected and abused. Your reasoning is sick.

Edited July 3, 2009 by zunshynn

[kafka]

good posts zunshynn.