Winchester Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Fear of anything but the Lord has no place in a Bishop's decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 1) I didn't know that they could be given at the Funeral Mass. My experience has always been wakes and at the burial site. Thanks Jennie! I learned something new 2) No, Obama should not be giving anything at a Catholic Mass. Period. 3) I wish Bishops and Cardinals spoke out more on Catholic politicians who do not live the right lifestyle. I know we all have our dirt under the rug but we should strive to live a Catholic life. I don't know if he reverted on his deathbed or what happened at the end. No one knows I guess. But is a Catholic funeral proper for a Cathoic who lived nothing but a Catholic life? We don't want them recieving communion but what about a burial? Maybe I am not thinking about it the right way...is a Catholic funeral the same as any Christian burial? 4)We were all up in arms about him just SPEAKING at a Catholic University. Why is a Catholic Mass any less significant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 [quote name='picchick' date='29 August 2009 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1251571987' post='1957964'] 1) I didn't know that they could be given at the Funeral Mass. My experience has always been wakes and at the burial site. Thanks Jennie! I learned something new [/quote] -Jennie typing- I talked it over with Micah and his take on it seems to be that even if someone is allowed to speak before the Final Commendation that doesn't mean it's to be a eulogy. Someone quoted the GIRM up above that said that eulogies should not be aloud. So it seems that a family member or friend may speak at the funeral Mass before the Final Commendation, but it shouldn't be a eulogy type speech or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 A dude on EWTN said that it says in the GIRM expressly that eulogies aren't allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 [quote name='Raphael' date='29 August 2009 - 03:11 PM' timestamp='1251573078' post='1957971'] -Jennie typing- I talked it over with Micah and his take on it seems to be that even if someone is allowed to speak before the Final Commendation that doesn't mean it's to be a eulogy. Someone quoted the GIRM up above that said that eulogies should not be aloud. So it seems that a family member or friend may speak at the funeral Mass before the Final Commendation, but it shouldn't be a eulogy type speech or whatever. [/quote] hmmm...I don't know. I am not trying to argue, just understand. If someone of my family died, I don't know what I would say that wasn't eulogy-like. Unless it is a format or something. We really didn't cover it in English or Speech class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 So I caught a portion of ye olde Funeral Mass on ABC news at work before going in. There was a box at the bottom of the screen to explain the Mass, and something caught my eye right before I had to go clock in, the bold is my emphasis: [quote]The Liturgy of the Eucharist: A rememberance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. [b]The bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus Christ[/b].[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntingknight Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 The shame that is brought upon me on Obama speaking at a Catholic Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 [quote name='peach_cube' date='29 August 2009 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1251563878' post='1957886'] We are way beyond one person speaking. [/quote] Sorry about that, Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) Even Satan can be made to serve the Will of God. Edited August 30, 2009 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='29 August 2009 - 08:19 PM' timestamp='1251591551' post='1958084'] Even Satan can be made to serve the Will of God. [/quote] Yep. He even has to ask for permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Bending and breaking the rules for Teddy's funeral seems very appropriate. It was his life. The cherry on top of this farce is if the archdiocese accepts 30 pieces of silver from the Kennedys as a sign of gratitude. The "man" is dead, but the seeds of death and destruction he planted will last decades afterward. Grrr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 The norm is that eulogies are not supposed to be in the Mass, do priests ignore that norm? Of course they do, and then you have a 3 ring circus, with everyone and their mother getting up to say something. It happened to me once and will never happen again! Typically, we try to have it before the Mass, this way everyone is happy and everyone gets to hear whatever it was that was so important for the person to say. Personally, I think they do more damage than good, because most of them are not adept at public speaking or get too emotional to do a halfway decent job. Those that can do it, however, go on and on and on and on. While the GIRM says one thing and bishops say another, this is one of those things that pastors tend to completely ignore and since this diocese has had them for years, it is hard to change something that has come to be expected. If anyone says they want to do a eulogy, the first thing I ask them, is how long, the second, how many and the third, is when I tell them when we do it. I don't quite know whether a non-Catholic can do one, though, I have seen it all, so I wouldn't be able to tell you officially. The best was when I concelebrated a funeral Mass and the priest had the Protestant pastor do the homily/eulogy. Funerals are becoming like weddings and, whereas, a priest used to prefer a funeral to a wedding, they can both become nightmares in their own right. This the stuff you learn by seeing it done, no GIRM can lay out these types of things. Hope that helps, a little bit. God bless Fr. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Have a wake. Say your piece, leave water rings from your cold beer on the coffin. Anyway, that's what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 [quote name='Theologian in Training' date='29 August 2009 - 11:06 PM' timestamp='1251601617' post='1958159'] The norm is that eulogies are not supposed to be in the Mass, do priests ignore that norm? Of course they do, and then you have a 3 ring circus, with everyone and their mother getting up to say something. It happened to me once and will never happen again! This the stuff you learn by seeing it done, no GIRM can lay out these types of things. ------------------------------- Hope that helps, a little bit. God bless Fr. Brian [/quote] Thank you so much!!! [quote name='Winchester' date='30 August 2009 - 10:35 AM' timestamp='1251642915' post='1958284'] Have a wake. Say your piece, leave water rings from your cold beer on the coffin. Anyway, that's what I want. [/quote] People can do whatever they want. I just don't want Eagle's Wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 [quote name='picchick' date='30 August 2009 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1251650798' post='1958320'] Thank you so much!!! People can do whatever they want. I just don't want Eagle's Wings. [/quote] I would like a Solemn High Mass in the extraordinary form. I would also like to be buried in a mausoleum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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