Watch How You Talk About The Executive Branch

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='picchick' date='16 September 2009 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1253127433' post='1967605']
Now, now...I am not saying that making those rules were good. I am in full support of free speech and will protect that freedom to my dying day. I was just wondering what the procedures of Congress were. I know that sometimes the interruptions are "allowed" but I wasn't sure if this was a case.

Sorry for any misunderstandings.
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No, I am sorry for misunderstanding you, Picchick. *hangs head in shame*

[Winchester]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='16 September 2009 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1253130915' post='1967646']
No, I am sorry for misunderstanding you, Picchick. *hangs head in shame*
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You monster.

[picchick]

[quote name='Secuutus' date='16 September 2009 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1253130914' post='1967645']
People just hate on Obama because he is black and a democrat. If he was black and a republican it would be okay, but lets be real, a black republican as president is not going to happen.
[url="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27149_Page2.html"]http://www.politico....7149_Page2.html[/url]


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RACE CARD!

You might find someone who dislikes the president because he is black but you won't find it in me. I have friends of every race, creed, background et. al. I don't like his positions and what he stands for. If he was a black republican I would hold him to the same standards. Race and party mean nothing. It is what they stand for that I care about.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Secuutus' date='16 September 2009 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1253130914' post='1967645']

People just hate on Obama because he is black and a democrat. If he was black and a republican it would be okay, but lets be real, a black republican as president is not going to happen. Look how much of a fool the RNC makes Michael Steele(which i found sort of racist to see him elected as the chairman cause he is black) look, saying that he will woo blacks to the GOP with "fried chicken and patato salad". Do you see where Im coming from?

[url="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27149_Page2.html"]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27149_Page2.html[/url]
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Yes. You have figured it out. It is not because of his policies. That is the only reason people "hate on him."

[dominicansoul]

Obama's black? I thought he was white, too...? I guess that doesn't count, since the color of his skin means more than the content of his character.

And speaking of skin...his is pretty thin if he can't take criticism...

[Secuutus]

You can keep saying that im pulling the "race card" and defend and defend and defend your reasons why its not true, but thats the underlying cause why most Americans don't like him. Sure there are some people who view his policies and not his skin color, like you picchik. I'm just stating a fact that applies to many, if not most, americans.

You said you would "protect freedom to our dieing day" protecting freedom also means "protecting and supporting our president and what he says", as my platoon seargeant puts it,he also says "that we don't have to like him or like what he says, but as Marines and fellow service members we do have to protect and support him, because whether we like it or not he represents America's freedom, and thats why what we fight for!"

I know you plan on joining the service, and I just want to know, whether you can do that, even if you don't "care for Obama" as you adequately put it?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Secuutus' date='16 September 2009 - 02:44 PM' timestamp='1253133891' post='1967678']
You can keep saying that im pulling the "race card" and defend and defend and defend your reasons why its not true, but thats the underlying cause why most Americans don't like him. Sure there are some people who view his policies and not his skin color, like you picchik. I'm just stating a fact that applies to many, if not most, americans.

You said you would "protect freedom to our dieing day" protecting freedom also means "protecting and supporting our president and what he says", as my platoon seargeant puts it,he also says "that we don't have to like him or like what he says, but as Marines and fellow service members we do have to protect and support him, because whether we like it or not he represents America's freedom, and thats why what we fight for!"

I know you plan on joining the service, and I just want to know, whether you can do that, even if you don't "care for Obama" as you adequately put it?
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+J.M.J.+
how do you know that many or most americans do not like him because he's black? do you know most americans? or are you basing this 'fact' on a poll (whose results can be skewed), or some study put out by a think tank (whose results also can be skewed)? i'm honestly curious. most of my friends who don't like him (and i have friends that do like him/his policies), don't like President Obama based on his policies (healthcare reform, abortion, stem cell research, etc.) - not because he's black.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='picchick' date='16 September 2009 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1253132196' post='1967660']
RACE CARD!

You might find someone who dislikes the president because he is black but you won't find it in me. I have friends of every race, creed, background et. al. I don't like his positions and what he stands for. If he was a black republican I would hold him to the same standards. Race and party mean nothing. It is what they stand for that I care about.
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+J.M.J.+
yes!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Secuutus' date='16 September 2009 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1253130914' post='1967645']
What do you expect? for the democrats to stay silent? It was rude and something needed to be done to make sure it doesn't happen again. As a Marine, who is proud to serve his country and his president, I was outraged to hear a public leader and someone kids look up to as a mentor, act in such a childish manner. Plus if he is going to call a man a liar, he should atleast be able to back that up. Under the new senate bill, illegal immagrants will not be able to recieve any benefits. Yeah there are some loopholes, but there are loopholes in everything.
People just hate on Obama because he is black and a democrat. If he was black and a republican it would be okay, but lets be real, a black republican as president is not going to happen. Look how much of a fool the RNC makes Michael Steele(which i found sort of racist to see him elected as the chairman cause he is black) look, saying that he will woo blacks to the GOP with "fried chicken and patato salad". Do you see where Im coming from?

[url="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27149_Page2.html"]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27149_Page2.html[/url]
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I don't care if the man is green - he is unqualified for the office of the President of the United States, he is rabid socialist, and I AM a democrat. There are at least 5 different versions of the health care bill circulating around congress and it did and might still cover illegal immigrants.

And the race card croutons is more than tiresome. Most people I know detest Obama for what he does, not for the supposed color of his skin. Its just a convenient label to put on someone to detract from the very real issues of his lack of qualifications, talent, and ability.

[picchick]

[quote name='Secuutus' date='16 September 2009 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1253133891' post='1967678']
You can keep saying that im pulling the "race card" and defend and defend and defend your reasons why its not true, but thats the underlying cause why most Americans don't like him. Sure there are some people who view his policies and not his skin color, like you picchik. I'm just stating a fact that applies to many, if not most, americans.

You said you would "protect freedom to our dieing day" protecting freedom also means "protecting and supporting our president and what he says", as my platoon seargeant puts it,he also says "that we don't have to like him or like what he says, but as Marines and fellow service members we do have to protect and support him, because whether we like it or not he represents America's freedom, and thats why what we fight for!"

I know you plan on joining the service, and I just want to know, whether you can do that, even if you don't "care for Obama" as you adequately put it?


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I joined the service to fight for and to protect my country and the freedoms it uphold. The President is apart of America-not America itself. He is my boss but not my God. If the president is to uphold the freedoms of America then I will follow my commands. However, I am not bound because I am a service member to do anything that is against moral law or my conscience.

[Secuutus]

"University of Connecticut professor Jack Dovidio, who has researched racism for more than 30 years, estimates up to 80 percent of white Americans have racist feelings they may not even recognize." [url="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/racism.poll/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/racism.poll/index.html[/url]

Just cuz it's not present in everyday life doesn't mean it's not there. What about the protesters who dipicted obama as hitler on signs, last time I checked Obama isn't commiting genocide on a certain group of people. Racism in America will never go away, whether its consciously or not. I have sat down in my college cafeteria or when I'm waiting to pick up my sister at her dance studio, and heard many remarks that were un-called for towards Obama, l dont want to say them because they are pretty bad. But these are the same people, especialy the people at my sister dance studio and the same college students who around minorities would never say, that go around and put on a smile in front of other minorities and pretend to be there friends.

[url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24929277-2703,00.html"]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24929277-2703,00.html[/url]

[url="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/why-i-hate-barack-obama-pastor-steven"]http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/why-i-hate-barack-obama-pastor-steven[/url] THIS IS A GOOD ONW THAT SHOWS RACISM AT ITS VERY BEST.

[Secuutus]

[quote name='picchick' date='16 September 2009 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1253138257' post='1967731']
I joined the service to fight for and to protect my country and the freedoms it uphold. The President is apart of America-not America itself. He is my boss but not my God. If the president is to uphold the freedoms of America then I will follow my commands. However, I am not bound because I am a service member to do anything that is against moral law or my conscience.
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I said represents not is.

[rachael]

I wonder what this thread would look like if the president had been a woman.

[Fidei Defensor]

Why do you even bother starting new threads? You might as well just bump old ones. It's the same old stuff. "Socialism" "he's not really black" "blah blah blah blah blah." No offense but preaching to the choir doesn't make you special, it just makes you think you're special because everyone agrees with you.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='rachael' date='16 September 2009 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1253139963' post='1967743']
I wonder what this thread would look like if the president had been a woman.
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+J.M.J.+
we'd be talking about her pms'ing.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='16 September 2009 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1253140237' post='1967751']
Why do you even bother starting new threads? You might as well just bump old ones. It's the same old stuff. "Socialism" "he's not really black" "blah blah blah blah blah." No offense but preaching to the choir doesn't make you special, it just makes you think you're special because everyone agrees with you.
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+J.M.J.+
i am special though.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='16 September 2009 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1253140354' post='1967755']
+J.M.J.+
i am special though.
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Of course you are

[rachael]

Am I?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='rachael' date='16 September 2009 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1253140493' post='1967759']
Am I?
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You =

[rachael]

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