The Soul: Does It Exist?

[mortify]

[quote name='Secuutus' date='18 September 2009 - 06:42 PM' timestamp='1253313773' post='1968869']
I believe we have soul, but in philosophy class today we got into a heated debate about it. So I was wandering what all of your views are on it. thanks!
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All living things have a soul but their soul is material. Only man has a soul that is spirit and therefore capable of existing beyond bodily death.

[Ziggamafu]

[url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/"]Material things are governed by laws and act necessarily.[/url]

If there is no soul, humans - like everything else - are strictly material objects.

Therefore, if there is no soul, humans act necessarily and free will must be an illusion.

(for more info on this, Google "Determinism" or check it out [url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/#QuaMec"]here[/url])

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Free will is a universally observed experience of conscious, medically healthy (i.e. "functioning") human beings. If this universally observed experience (free will) is to be vindicated (truly), then there must be some principle / reality at work in us that is not material. If we doubt the truth of so universal an experience, it would seem to take the wind out of all our other assertions. Interestingly, we can say the same thing about [i]intellect [/i]and [i]memory [/i]that we can say of [i]will[/i]. The "3 Powers of the Soul" perceived in Catholic philosophy are themselves proof enough of the soul in any conscious creature; that humans have [i]transcendent [/i]will (a freedom to violate instinct), memory (an awareness of intangible ideals rather than mere sensual experiences), and intellect (the ability to reflect back upon one's own reflection) is evidence of the human soul's unique privilege of being a spirit.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Ziggamafu

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='28 September 2009 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1254181759' post='1973985']
[url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/"]Material things are governed by laws and act necessarily.[/url]

If there is no soul, humans - like everything else - are strictly material objects.

Therefore, if there is no soul, humans act necessarily and free will must be an illusion.

(for more info on this, Google "Determinism" or check it out [url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/#QuaMec"]here[/url])

***

Free will is a universally observed experience of conscious, medically healthy (i.e. "functioning") human beings. If this universally observed experience (free will) is to be vindicated (truly), then there must be some principle / reality at work in us that is not material. If we doubt the truth of so universal an experience, it would seem to take the wind out of all our other assertions. Interestingly, we can say the same thing about [i]intellect [/i]and [i]memory [/i]that we can say of [i]will[/i]. The "3 Powers of the Soul" perceived in Catholic philosophy are themselves proof enough of the soul in any conscious creature; that humans have [i]transcendent [/i]will (a freedom to violate instinct), memory (an awareness of intangible ideals rather than mere sensual experiences), and intellect (the ability to reflect back upon one's own reflection) is evidence of the human soul's unique privilege of being a spirit.
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:bump for Hassan's objection.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='mortify' date='27 September 2009 - 05:54 AM' timestamp='1253991278' post='1973021']
All living things have a soul but their soul is material. Only man has a soul that is spirit and therefore capable of existing beyond bodily death.
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Wow! physics beyond the realm of the physical universe. I'd love to have a copy of the book. Can I get one at Amazon Com? In all seriousness where do you get such a notion from?

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='03 October 2009 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1254619970' post='1977004']
Wow! physics beyond the realm of the physical universe. I'd love to have a copy of the book. Can I get one at Amazon Com?
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I didn't see where he said anything about physics beyond the realm of the physical universe, but you sure can get something similar from Amazon. [url="http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysics-Aristotle-Great-Books-Philosophy/dp/0879756713"]Amazon.com "The Metaphysics," Aristotle. [/url] Metaphysics meaning "beyond physics."

~Sternhauser

[mortify]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='03 October 2009 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1254619970' post='1977004']
Wow! physics beyond the realm of the physical universe. I'd love to have a copy of the book. Can I get one at Amazon Com? In all seriousness where do you get such a notion from?
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Roman rite theology and philosophy.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='04 October 2009 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1254621985' post='1977031']
Ididn't see where he said anything about physics beyond the realm of thephysical universe, but you sure can get something similar from Amazon. [url="http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysics-Aristotle-Great-Books-Philosophy/dp/0879756713"]Amazon.com "The Metaphysics," Aristotle. [/url] Metaphysics meaning "beyond physics."

~Sternhauser
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He spoke about a soul which is a material soul and a soul which is spiritual. Doesn't a material soul belong to physics? And isn't a discussion involving both the physical and spiritual going beyond normal physics?

[quote name='mortify' date='04 October 2009 - 03:24 PM' timestamp='1254630291' post='1977136']
Roman rite theology and philosophy.
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I don't wish to appear ignorant, but I was not aware of this concept. Can you direct me to some online material on the subject?