Beware Of Monastery Icons!

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

I found this link on New advent news, and I couldnt believe it. The people at monastery icons are new age hindus and practice black magic!! There are also errors in their Icons supposedly read this link and find out for yourselves also the link to byzantine forums will help inform you since they know much about icons.


[url="http://catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2009/09/21/beware-of-monastery-icons/"]Monastery Icons? Anti christian[/url]

[url="http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/67674"]Byzantine forum wars of deception[/url]

[Selah]

I've never heard of New Age Hindus...that almost sounds insulting to the Hindu religion.

[WillT]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='21 September 2009 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1253563638' post='1970547']


[url="http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/67674"]Byzantine forum wars of deception[/url]
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Wow, I had no idea that the Byzantine Forum had an army!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Anyway, I hope the word gets out before too many people buy them.

[Nihil Obstat]

This link is clearer than the article posted above, I think.
[url="http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/monasteryicons.aspx"]A Word About 'Monastery Icons'[/url]

Edited September 21, 2009 by Nihil Obstat

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
oh dear i need to tell the local Catholic bookstore about this - they sell them.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

sorry my link to the byzantine forum should have said -warns- instead of "wars"

[StColette]

Very interesting. I went through and did a search using all the different addresses (like the blogger did) everything he says seems to ring true. If you go to the Atma Jyoti Ashram website the address is the one in Borrego Springs CA, but if you go to their contact us page it's the one in Cedar Crest NM. A Churches in Borrego Springs website gives Monastery Icons location as the same address for Atma Jyoti Ashram.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

Please get the word out to as many bookstores and Churches you come into contact with that support this heretical orginization.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
just talked to the lady - she's pulling the file she had on them and won't order them anymore.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

wow, nice work lil red!

[Apotheoun]

Yes, [i]Monastery Icons[/i] should be avoided, because non-Christians cannot write true icons.

[Theologian in Training]

Well, croutons, I have a few of those...

[InHisLove726]

I need to make sure that my Church does not have one of these. Thanks for the warning.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='21 September 2009 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1253565078' post='1970563']
This link is clearer than the article posted above, I think.
[url="http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/monasteryicons.aspx"]A Word About 'Monastery Icons'[/url]
[/quote]

I like the reply on that thread:

[quote]Dear Joe,

I would strongly suggest first that you have them blessed. Even though they have been produced by a heretical group, the sanctification with Holy Water and the prayers of blessing should exorcise any demonic influences. Now, if you chose to give them to someone else or whatever, at least you will not have to worry about these influences following them. [b]I strongly suggest that no matter what you simply do not throw away any icon[/b], but rather if you inclined to dispose of them, do so in the proper manner with consultation of a priest.[/quote]

Without a doubt, I do like to own Catholic things made by devout Catholic people. But just because the group making and selling Catholic goods isn't expressly Christian doesn't mean anything. Have the item blessed, and pray for the people who made it.

[Lounge Daddy]

Although I have to say this news is interesting to me, because it sounds a little like something that is happening in the beginning of the novel I am writing.

A small group of people peddling fake (and cursed) relics are being sold over the Internet, through eBay and other sources. The hero of the story, a P.I. working for the Vatican, moves in to shut them down. The hero then follows the money to see who is organizing this and why. Adventure ensues.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='22 September 2009 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1253641824' post='1971065']
Without a doubt, I do like to own Catholic things made by devout Catholic people. But just because the group making and selling Catholic goods isn't expressly Christian doesn't mean anything. Have the item blessed, and pray for the people who made it.
[/quote]
I would have the icons blessed and then burn them. An icon is a prayer, a prayer of the whole Church composed by an iconographer who holds the Church's faith, and that is why a non-Christian cannot produce a true icon.

[StColette]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='22 September 2009 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1253641824' post='1971065']

Without a doubt, I do like to own Catholic things made by devout Catholic people. But just because the group making and selling Catholic goods isn't expressly Christian doesn't mean anything. Have the item blessed, and pray for the people who made it.
[/quote]

I think what bothers me most about them is that if these icons have been "blessed" by one of their priests, monks, or whatever as the one article claims, that makes me a little uneasy, especially if it's a pagan blessing ritual. I know I could have a priest bless it, but something still makes me uneasy at the thought of having something that could have a pagan blessing on it in my household.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='StColette' date='22 September 2009 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1253651922' post='1971139']
I think what bothers me most about them is that if these icons have been "blessed" by one of their priests, monks, or whatever as the one article claims, that makes me a little uneasy, especially if it's a pagan blessing ritual. I know I could have a priest bless it, but something still makes me uneasy at the thought of having something that could have a pagan blessing on it in my household.
[/quote]
That is why I would have the item blessed by a priest, and only then would I burn it. An image made by one who does not share the faith of the Church is not a true icon, and so to offer such an image veneration -- from an Eastern Christian perspective -- would be to perform an act of idolatry.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='22 September 2009 - 03:14 PM' timestamp='1253646897' post='1971111']
I would have the icons blessed and then burn them. An icon is a prayer, a prayer of the whole Church composed by an iconographer who holds the Church's faith, and that is why a non-Christian cannot produce a true icon.
[/quote]

Thanks for explaining that. I guess I am not very familiar with icons.

Until now, I didn't think of it as Christian prayer. Although, if a non-Christian is trying to pray a Christian prayer, that's not a horrible thing in and of itself. Let them. And I'll pray for them.

What I do understand iconography to be is a teaching tool. Although I think some of the comments on another board calling the icons "heretical" was a little much. I would just say some details were incorrect.

[quote name='StColette' date='22 September 2009 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1253651922' post='1971139']
I think what bothers me most about them is that if these icons have been "blessed" by one of their priests, monks, or whatever as the one article claims...
[/quote]

Ya, that is a reason to be bothered by them. A good reason.

[Theologian in Training]

Duh, I could bless them myself, with any prayer, even minor exorcism prayers. Sometimes, I forget the power that has been entrusted to me