Procreation Before The Fall

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='01 October 2009 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1254437179' post='1975889']
Lol! What in tarnation happened to this thread!?
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This is the "cf." thread, so please stick to the topic.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='01 October 2009 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1254414205' post='1975595']
But isn't incest a sin? I just checked my catechism. God planned sin?
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The Catechism didn't say it was sinful to eat meat on Fridays in Lent before the Church decreed it was sinful to eat meat on Fridays in Lent.

Likewise, at a certain point, God commanded his people to not engage in what we today call "incest." That was my point in saying, "The real question is: what is it that makes incest sinful?"

~Sternhauser

[OraProMe]

Look what you've done, Resurrexi!

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='01 October 2009 - 11:15 AM' timestamp='1254410153' post='1975563']
Studies on mitochondrial RNA (mtRNA) show that we all come from one mother and one father.

Now the real question you have to ask is, "what is it that makes incest wrong?"

~Sternhauser
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The above statement is partly true. Mitochondrial RNA is passed from mother to child. mtRNA cannot be used to determine patrilineal lines of inheritance. However, generational mutations to the Y chromosome (passed from father to son) have been used to determine that all humanity progresses from a single father.

However, while all humanity progresses from a single father and mother, they are separated by many years. Y-chromosomal Adam likely lived 60,000-90,000 years ago, while Mitochondrial Eve lived 150,000-250,000 years ago. Further, this Adam and Eve were far from the first people to walk the earth, but instead are the people from whom all of current humanity is said to progress from.

Back to the thread. Do Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam satisfy the Church's requirements for the historico-biblical Adam and Eve? If not, then I'm uncertain why Catholics bring them up. If they do, then this may answer the question of incest: other people were already in existence, though their genetic makeup was inherited from Adam and Eve, who are still the progenitors of the entire human race.

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='01 October 2009 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1254432898' post='1975824']
In Vatican documents, when a direct quote is referenced, the source will be given in parenthesis. "And the Word was God." (John 1:1).

If a source is that is not quoted is being referenced, the source will be given in parentheses preceded by [i]cf.[/i]. The Bible says that Jesus is God (cf. John 1:1).

At least that is how I understand it.
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That's what I thought, too. However, Wikipedia says that this is incorrect:

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cf. is an abbreviation for the Latin word confer, meaning "compare" or "consult", and is hence used to refer to other material or ideas which may provide contrasting information or arguments. It is mainly used in scholarly or educated contexts, such as in academic (mainly humanities) or legal texts.[1] "Cf." is commonly misused to mean, "see", as in "cf. Figure 10", but should only be used to imply "a contrast or disagreement"
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[Resurrexi]

[quote name='mommas_boy' date='04 October 2009 - 06:09 PM' timestamp='1254697797' post='1977665']
That's what I thought, too. However, Wikipedia says that this is incorrect:
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Wikipedia also says this:

* Cf.

This signals (for the Latin confer, meaning "compare") that the cited authority states a proposition different from the main proposition but sufficiently analogous to lend support. Writers use this signal when the cited authority doesn’t exactly support what they just said, but it’s close enough to lend support.

[morostheos]

[quote name='mommas_boy' date='04 October 2009 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1254697797' post='1977665']
That's what I thought, too. However, Wikipedia says that this is incorrect:

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[quote name='Resurrexi' date='04 October 2009 - 08:01 PM' timestamp='1254700906' post='1977722']
Wikipedia also says this:


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How about a more authoritative source?

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CF.

An abbreviation for the Latin word confer, meaning "compare."

The use of this abbreviation indicates that another section of a particular work or another case or volume contains contrasting, comparable, or explanatory opinions and text. [/quote]

Source Citation: "CF." West's Encyclopedia of American Law. Ed. Shirelle Phelps and Jeffrey Lehman. Vol. 2. 2nd ed. Detroit: Gale, 2005. 311. Gale Virtual Reference Library. Gale. New Canaan Library. 5 Oct. 2009 <http://go.galegroup.com/ps/start.do?p=GVRL&u=21457>.

[Arpy]

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Edited October 6, 2009 by Arpy

[cmotherofpirl]

Stick to the topic!