Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1254938145' post='1980026'] "a-hole" comments and the like, which I think I shall report to the moderator. [/quote] Report [i]this[/i].
Paddington Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='07 October 2009 - 03:01 PM' timestamp='1254938467' post='1980031'] Report [i]this[/i]. [/quote] You went [i]there[/i].
Stormstopper Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Selah' date='07 October 2009 - 12:34 PM' timestamp='1254936880' post='1979993'] Is it lonely up there on your pedastal, Stormy? Because you are pretty much committing the sin of presumption now. Didn't I already tell you why we see works as important? Read the book of James lately? Yeah. [/quote] Selah, if I had a nickel for all the worthless statements you've made, you know very well I could retire in the Bahamas. Since you cannot provide ONE proof-text from any Reformer, past or present that denies the importance of good works, your pointless reference to James, as if we were unaware of it, is a complete waste of time. You are absolutely UNFAMILIAR with your opponent's view and you are only continuing to make a fool of yourself by posting things you don't understand. So either POST the evidence that you think supports your postion from any Protestant you desire, or BUTTON THAT LIP. Talk about the sin of presumption! You are the very essence of it! All talk and no action. Edited October 7, 2009 by Stormstopper
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1254938145' post='1980026'] Oh I know. The Roman Catholic Church said so and who cares that the Bible condemns good works as our passport to heaven in no less than 35 places. So like vultures you just swoop down with all the insults and never-ending foolishness. [/quote] Apparently does not have a copy of the CCC, just some misinterpreted paragraphs from some other forum. [quote] Your attitude is that of your forefathers....you'd burn me at the stake in the blink of an eye just as you did them.....MILLIONS of them, [/quote] Millions. 95+ hasn't done much history larnin'. Being mentally deficient exempted one from the stake. And being not Catholic, of course. Edited October 7, 2009 by Winchester
Archaeology cat Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='07 October 2009 - 05:21 AM' timestamp='1254889287' post='1979667'] Mother Teresa absolutely despised traveling and speaking in public. She did it because her bishops and spiritual directors told her to. It was absolutely clear that she'd rather be at one of her houses tending to the sick and dying. I would say that yes, her traveling and speaking did much towards making her into a saint. She did not like the fame one bit. Had her bishops and SDs left her alone, she never would have been in the public spotlight, never have accepted awards, and never have made public speeches. I am absolutely positive of that, and even you would be convinced if you bothered to do your research. [/quote] I wish I could remember which interview it was, but the priest who confirmed me was telling me about an interview with Mother Teresa. The interviewer kept asking her what she promised to all the girls coming to live in the convent and work in Calcutta, and she kept responding "I give them Jesus". I think Bl Teresa of Calcutta for the most part embodied the quote from St Francis of Assisi: "Preach the Gospel at all times; use words when necessary". [url="http://www.servelec.net/mothertheresa.htm"]Here[/url]'s another interview with her, where she discusses that she shares the Gospel by living it out and by loving the people. And Storm, my prayers are with you and your father.
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 02:04 PM' timestamp='1254938655' post='1980033'] Selah, if I had a nickel for all the worthless statements you've made, you know very well I could retire in the Bahamas. [/quote]Is that the money they use in the Bahamas? I can't imagine carrying around a big sack of nickels during retirement.
Nihil Obstat Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 12:55 PM' timestamp='1254938145' post='1980026'] You must be out of your mind Ni-Ob! I pasted your quote directly from your post and you have the gaul to say "you are pretending I said something". PRETENDING?! You specifically said Mama T's good works were a purgation and I rejected that conclusion. Are you on medication? And don't waste your time with the Mama T quotes. The Word of God is completely against HER statement and the Catholic belief in general when it comes to the cleansing power of good deeds. You can't support that horrific belief by Scripture if your life depended on it and you know it. WHy then do you believe and risk your eternal soul on it? Oh I know. The Roman Catholic Church said so and who cares that the Bible condemns good works as our passport to heaven in no less than 35 places. So like vultures you just swoop down with all the insults and never-ending foolishness. Your attitude is that of your forefathers....you'd burn me at the stake in the blink of an eye just as you did them.....MILLIONS of them, whom Jesus predicted so accurately when He said, "the time is coming when they will kill you, THINKING THEY DO GOD SERVICE". This is EXACTLY what happened, as history shows. Before they lit the match they would always preface their filthy deed with, "And this is to the glory of God." There's no difference today. You think by your ridiculous comments of no substance, that you are doing "God service". Nothing could be further from the truth as all of you keep on confirming you are intellectually bankrupt by any sort of elementary biblical standard. Realizing that, you resort to "a-hole" comments and the like, which I think I shall report to the moderator. [/quote] Once again you've blatantly ignored my assertion, which is that, no, good works aren't what we or Blessed Mother Teresa was talking about. Rather we were talking about sacrifice, suffering, and obedience in accordance with God's will, which is what she demonstrated (to a heroic degree) in her international fame. I do continue to assert that you are "pretending I said something". You quote me, yes, and then you ignore my central ideas. This is nothing more and nothing less than intentional academic dishonesty. You're no martyr, you're an obstinate pompous fo[i][/i]ol who cannot tolerate or handle logical objections to his beliefs. Bl. Mother Teresa pray for us all.
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 I'm thinking that even if every post NO had ever posted contained 2 useless things, It still would only add up to 3 dollars.
Stormstopper Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='07 October 2009 - 12:16 PM' timestamp='1254935767' post='1979965'] docu-dumps usually show that the poster doesn't really understand what they are arguing. they can't sum up their stances in a few words or at least in their words... so they docu-dump. not that storm isn't smart. he's engaging in a long, conventional academic debate. but they're getting hung up on the minutiae that i dont think they or at least storm is really synthesizing and taking it all in as should be done. it's just pencil pushing mostly. the docu-dump phenomenon does exist still despite that admittedly impressive in many senses debate. [/quote] I'm guilty of "pencil-pushing"??? Because I quote your own documents? Spare me. I'll bet you you didn't even know that's what Vatican 2 wrote--as you're obviously spending too much time out in the barn milking cows. Instead of thanking me for opeing your eyes, I get the shaft for telling you the truth. Let's cut to the quick. Show me in Scripture or church antiquity where you can find support for Vatican 2 coming up with this fairy tale that good works may be offered to God for SALVATION. Afterall, they said this "sacred" belief went back to "ancient times". So certainly some early father would have believed it. Prove it.
Nihil Obstat Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='07 October 2009 - 01:23 PM' timestamp='1254939803' post='1980057'] I'm thinking that even if every post NO had ever posted contained 2 useless things, It still would only add up to 3 dollars. [/quote] I calculated it out. If you include lameboard posts that aren't in my 'official' post count, I have near 10 000 posts, so at two nickels per post you'd have around one grand. If we assume Selah says way more useless things than me... say... twice as much, that gives you around the same amount of money because of differing post counts. So go ahead and retire on that, but I think you'd be finding the Bahamas aren't quite as luxurious as you think when you live in a gutter next to the guy who cooks rats into his hotdogs that he sells outside the resort to all the poor guys who work folding towels at the poolside for a dollar an hour.
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Stormstopper' date='07 October 2009 - 02:27 PM' timestamp='1254940060' post='1980065'] I'm guilty of "pencil-pushing"??? Because I quote your own documents? Spare me. I'll bet you you didn't even know that's what Vatican 2 wrote--as you're obviously spending too much time out in the barn milking cows. Instead of thanking me for opeing your eyes, I get the shaft for telling you the truth. Let's cut to the quick. Show me in Scripture or church antiquity where you can find support for Vatican 2 coming up with this fairy tale that good works may be offered to God for SALVATION. Afterall, they said this "sacred" belief went back to "ancient times". So certainly some early father would have believed it. Prove it. [/quote] Do you read every other word, or pick out the ones you don't like? I'm trying to figure out if your misunderstanding is accidental or intentional.
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='07 October 2009 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1254940131' post='1980066'] So go ahead and retire on that, but I think you'd be finding the Bahamas aren't quite as luxurious as you think when you live in a gutter next to the guy who cooks rats into his hotdogs that he sells outside the resort to all the poor guys who work folding towels at the poolside for a dollar an hour. [/quote] That would be lots of labor, shoving rat meat into the skin. I would bank on denuding the bone and serving it in a soup or as taco meat.
Selah Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) [quote]Selah, if I had a nickel for all the worthless statements you've made, you know very well I could retire in the Bahamas.[/quote] Ah! My Pride! [quote]you cannot provide ONE proof-text from any Reformer, past or present that denies the importance of good works, your pointless reference to James, as if we were unaware of it, is a complete waste of time. [/quote] Why would I provide a Reformer? Am I a Protestant? I'm guessing you haven't read the book of James? The part where it says "A man is justified by works and not by faith alone." "Faith without works is dead." And so forth. But hey, I understand. Martin Luther hated the book of James too. Almost removed it. You know, you can't be Sola Fide and agree with what St. James wrote. [quote]You are absolutely UNFAMILIAR with your opponent's view and you are only continuing to make a fool of yourself by posting things you don't understand.[/quote] Ever looked in a mirror? [quote]So either POST the evidence that you think supports your postion from any Protestant you desire, or BUTTON THAT LIP.[/quote] This coming from someone who thought the Fathers taught Sola Scriptua whilst affirming the authority of the Church. Cute. [quote] Talk about the sin of presumption! You are the very essence of it! All talk and no action. [/quote] lol. That isn't what the sin of presumption is. The sin of presumption means to look at another human being and say, "he or she is not a Christian" "He or she is going to heaven/hell" It is also called "The unpardonable sin" in situations where the sinner does not ask for forgiveness because A: He or she doesn't think they needs it or B: He or she doesn't think that they are deserving of it. See now? Isn't learning fun? I provide evidence every time I engage you. You just choose not to read it, consider another's point of view (yeah, I said it), etc. I find t amusing you want me to find Protestants that support my idea. I am sure there are a few. After all, John Calvin and Martin Luther still had many Catholic beliefs, including the Immaculate Conception (both were rather devoted to Mary). I can provide quotes and links if you like. [quote]If we assume Selah says way more useless things than me... say... twice as much, that gives you around the same amount of money because of differing post counts[/quote] YAWN. Boring. May the peace of Christ go with you, Selah + Edited October 7, 2009 by Selah
Nihil Obstat Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='07 October 2009 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1254940222' post='1980068'] That would be lots of labor, shoving rat meat into the skin. I would bank on denuding the bone and serving it in a soup or as taco meat. [/quote] Do they have ta[i][/i]cos in The Bahamas?
Stormstopper Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Archaeology cat' date='07 October 2009 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1254938906' post='1980037'] I wish I could remember which interview it was, but the priest who confirmed me was telling me about an interview with Mother Teresa. The interviewer kept asking her what she promised to all the girls coming to live in the convent and work in Calcutta, and she kept responding "I give them Jesus". I think Bl Teresa of Calcutta for the most part embodied the quote from St Francis of Assisi: "Preach the Gospel at all times; use words when necessary". [url="http://www.servelec.net/mothertheresa.htm"]Here[/url]'s another interview with her, where she discusses that she shares the Gospel by living it out and by loving the people. And Storm, my prayers are with you and your father. [/quote] Dear A-cat, I read the interview, but the student of Scripture is going to have a hard time excusing her beliefs. For example, she says we "preach the gospel by our works of love." The gospel, is by defintion, what Jesus has accomplished FOR us in our redemption. As the apostles said, "we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord" (2 Cor 4:5). No one is going to deny that good deeds are a fruit of salvation, but a demonstartion of good deeds does not amount to that person having arrived at the truth. Jerry Lewis has been breaking his back for over 40 years trying to find a cure for MS, but he is a Christ-rejecting Jew and is unsaved no matter how much money he raises. As was previously mentioned, she encourages her devotees to find "god" in whatever religion they find themselves, and that "what god is to you, you must accept". She then says that as they become a "better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Buddhist" (another quote I read said, "a better whatever they are") they then end up "becoming closer to god". I'm sorry to say that this is all a lot of pious sounding terminology that does not amount to preaching the gospel at ALL. Furthermore, to say that "I love all religions" is very hard to swallow. I believe Jesus has not given us the command to "love all religions"---especially those that ipso facto, reject Him out of hand. It simply doesn't make sense coming from the one who said, "I AM THE WAY"---and consequently, there is no other "way". Moreover, her belief that atheistic communists are all "children of God" is only true to the extent that they have Him as their Creator, but NO further. Christ told those who didn't believe on Him that, "you are of your father the devil"---and so must we say likewise (John 8:44).
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 Anybody on here argue that MT was infallible?
Nihil Obstat Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='07 October 2009 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1254942645' post='1980099'] Anybody on here argue that MT was infallible? [/quote] Not that I recall. By the way, I think that the "better... whatever" quote is taken out of context. I would need to see the original source.
Stormstopper Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Selah' date='07 October 2009 - 01:32 PM' timestamp='1254940359' post='1980069'] Ah! My Pride! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif[/img] Why would I provide a Reformer? Am I a Protestant? I'm guessing you haven't read the book of James? The part where it says "A man is justified by works and not by faith alone." "Faith without works is dead." And so forth. But hey, I understand. Martin Luther hated the book of James too. Almost removed it. You know, you can't be Sola Fide and agree with what St. James wrote. Ever looked in a mirror? This coming from someone who thought the Fathers taught Sola Scriptua whilst affirming the authority of the Church. Cute. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] lol. That isn't what the sin of presumption is. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/P.gif[/img] The sin of presumption means to look at another human being and say, "he or she is not a Christian" "He or she is going to heaven/hell" It is also called "The unpardonable sin" in situations where the sinner does not ask for forgiveness because A: He or she doesn't think they needs it or B: He or she doesn't think that they are deserving of it. See now? Isn't learning fun? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.gif[/img] I provide evidence every time I engage you. You just choose not to read it [/quote] Selah, As usual you have taken me out of context. All I said was that you were engaging in the sin of presumption, and I was not defining it by your church's defintion. That is something you unwarrantly read into my words as if I was giving the official meaning as set down in your texts. In any case my presumptious little petunia, I provided my own definition of presumption (which of course means YOU presuming you think you undestand the Protestant position on the book of James) and you have now proceeded to give me YOUR definition---which is fine, but it is not the definition as your church descibes it, so kindly stick that flapping tongue right back in your mouth. This is how the Old Catholic Encyclopedia defines the sin of presumption: "It may be defined as the condition of a soul which, because of a badly regulated reliance on God's mercy and power, hopes for salvation without doing anything to deserve it, or for pardon of his sins without repenting of them." And by the way, since you could not provide one statement from any church council for the first 1,000 years of Christianity that referred to the papal supremacy of the Roman church ("over the whole world" according to Vatican 1 which they bogusly reported to be "as it has always been") that means you are anachronistically reading into the text "authority of the Roman Catholic Church in particular" whenever you see an early father use the term! It is utterly disgraceful. Hence, you are presumptious in both your definitions of church protocol, and your vain attempts at revising history. Edited October 7, 2009 by Stormstopper
Winchester Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 That't not the point, though. This thread wasn't about Mother Theresa. Because he's realized, yet again, that he can't even tread water, he's gone to whatever site has little gems to throw at Catholics and he's put it up here. He's not well-read, he's simply finding other people's stuff during his smoke breaks at whatever cube farm he works in. Remember how budge used to start thread after thread? This guy isn't even original enough to do that, he just comes in, blasts out some croutons he read somewhere else on the internet (or, maybe, in some half-pat22's tract) and then gets outraged that we don't collapse like it says we will.
HisChildForever Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 [quote name='Selah' date='07 October 2009 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1254940359' post='1980069'] Ah! My Pride! [/quote] Aren't you glad you have Jesu- I mean, Storm here, to correct you of your sins?
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