Varg Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 What are your views on exhistential nihilism? (believing that here is no point/deeper meaning to life)
dairygirl4u2c Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 it's counter i believe to the 'near death experience', what it teaches. you'll find many followers of that though, who say it's still meaningless, life, and we merely project our own desires into the experience of our afterlife and live that. it's a depressing world view. it requires having no hope, generally. we're here, then we die, and that's all. some people find it liberating to embrace it, countra anything God related etc. but at least have hope for more one day. i asked a nihilist once if he believed in the after life given he didn't believe in God and was an atheist, and he said he didn't know. i think even he was wantingto have some hope. and even if you have hope, it'd be despressing not to think that what we do has any deeper meaning. perhaps it should be self fulfilling, life. but, it seems like it should be more than that. and, for those who have been given lower lots in life, struggle having meaning etc, gives justice etc. hope is good, and meaning is good. a person could choose to live a life differently and opposed to those, by why? are they pursuing truth cause they think those are unwarranted? that's the only thing that would make sense. but even then, hope isn't much to ask for. and even hoping for meaning, is that terrible.
Nihil Obstat Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 Just as long as you don't imply I'm a nihilist again.
Nihil Obstat Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='13 October 2009 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1255448202' post='1984580'] I never implied you were a nihilist [/quote] You did a while ago, based on my SN.
Sternhauser Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 October 2009 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1255453734' post='1984629'] You did a while ago, based on my SN. [/quote] If I recall correctly, he said, "'Nihil,' 'nihilism,' oh, I get it now." Meaning, he understood the link between the word "Nihil" meaning "nothing," and "nihilism." ~Sternhauser
Sternhauser Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Varg' date='12 October 2009 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1255381384' post='1984085'] What are your views on exhistential nihilism? (believing that here is no point/deeper meaning to life) [/quote] Do you want a cure for radical skepticism, existential skepticism and/or nihilism? Punch yourself in the nose. Repeatedly. ~Sternhauser Edited October 13, 2009 by Sternhauser
Varg Posted October 13, 2009 Author Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 October 2009 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1255453734' post='1984629'] You did a while ago, based on my SN. [/quote]Noooooo, I never said [i]you[/i] were a nihilist because you obviously aren't. I was just curious how "Nihil" connected to nihilism. But to be honest at the time I though "Nihil Obstat" was a person, the guy in your avatar >.< Edited October 13, 2009 by Varg
Nihil Obstat Posted October 13, 2009 Posted October 13, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='13 October 2009 - 12:33 PM' timestamp='1255455183' post='1984635'] Noooooo, I never said [i]you[/i] were a nihilist because you obviously aren't. I was just curious how "Nihil" connected to nihilism. But to be honest at the time I though "Nihil Obstat" was a person, the guy in your avatar >.< [/quote] Hehe. My mistake.
Servus_Mariae Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='12 October 2009 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1255381384' post='1984085'] What are your views on exhistential nihilism? (believing that here is no point/deeper meaning to life) [/quote] It makes sense if there is no God. But there is a God so it doesn't make sense. lol. I think that the certainty of atheism is required for nihilism to be considered worth adopting as a system of thought. However, the certainty of atheism is rather presumptuous and the premises for atheism quite inconclusive. So, I would say that atheism is necessary for nihilism to be intellectually enticing, but atheism is not a firm enough foundation to base anything on. So, my views on existential nihilism are that one may hold them...but I wish its subscribers good luck sleeping at night.
Jesus_lol Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 hehe i only just now looked up what Nihils name meant. i knew nihil meant nothing but wasnt sure about the rest.
eagle_eye222001 Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='12 October 2009 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1255381384' post='1984085'] What are your views on exhistential nihilism? (believing that here is no point/deeper meaning to life) [/quote] It just sounds depressing to me. I mean, we build our lives around meaning, and the idea that there is nothing more than what we physically see just seems.......depressing, and pointless. Like, that's it?
Anomaly Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' date='21 October 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1256175286' post='1989347'] It just sounds depressing to me. I mean, we build our lives around meaning, and the idea that there is nothing more than what we physically see just seems.......depressing, and pointless. Like, that's it? [/quote]We can build our lives around meaning that others inflict on ourselves, or we seek meaning from other's consensus, or we can choose to create or define our own meaning and purpose. The easy alternative is to fail to choose or seek any meaning or purpose and just claim maeaning and purpose cannot exist.
Varg Posted October 22, 2009 Author Posted October 22, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' date='21 October 2009 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1256175286' post='1989347'] It just sounds depressing to me. I mean, we build our lives around meaning, and the idea that there is nothing more than what we physically see just seems.......depressing, and pointless. Like, that's it? [/quote]That's true, but most of the people I speak to about it say that it's less depressing than believing that life is a test designed to see if we're good enough to get rewarded and if we're not good enough then we are punished forever. I kind of agree with them...
KnightofChrist Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Varg' date='22 October 2009 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1256245316' post='1989797'] That's true, but most of the people I speak to about it say that it's less depressing than believing that life is a test designed to see if we're good enough to get rewarded and if we're not good enough then we are punished forever. I kind of agree with them... [/quote] O'rly now? Having no purpose to your life whatsoever, a life where love does not exist. That type of 'life' is better than one of purpose, were love does exist, a life which you clearly do not understand? Nor do these people you speak of. Edited October 22, 2009 by KnightofChrist
Varg Posted October 22, 2009 Author Posted October 22, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='22 October 2009 - 05:45 PM' timestamp='1256247921' post='1989810'] Having no purpose to your life whatsoever, a life where love does not exist. [/quote]Just...stop.
KnightofChrist Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='22 October 2009 - 05:50 PM' timestamp='1256248235' post='1989811'] Just...stop. [/quote] Does this reality of Athiesm disturb you?
Varg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Posted October 23, 2009 Nope, it's you getting it so completely wrong that disturbs me.
Anomaly Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Knight o'C, Life purpose is not dependent upon belief in a God. Society was here before we existed, and will likely be here afterwards. We can choose our values based on God, or we can choose our values based on the culture of the group.
Era Might Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='22 October 2009 - 05:45 PM' timestamp='1256247921' post='1989810']a life where love does not exist.[/quote] I think this is the essential issue. I cannot look at the world and conclude that there is no meaning, because I see meaning all around me in love: either in seeing love in action by others (e.g., personal charity), or in seeing things that invite me to love (e.g., poverty).
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