Disgusting.

[Varg]

You guys are always asking for proof...Ironic, really.

[Winchester]

Different things. You're talking history, we're talking about a magical friend in the sky.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Varg' date='27 October 2009 - 09:10 AM' timestamp='1256649056' post='1992047']
You guys are always asking for proof...Ironic, really.
[/quote]

Well, not really proof - just asking for a bit more info... I want to be certain of what you're talking about...

[Varg]

Oh, ok.

http://www.tacentral.com/architecture.asp?story_no=3

That's the only thing I can faind on the web, I originally read about it in a book

[Didacus]

[quote]The earliest churches were built on pagan temples. [/quote]

Is that what you're refering to?

In my home town, several chruches were sold and made into commerce buildings - does that mean commerce is evil? Waht about the Muslims transforming all the chruches in Constantinople into Mosques? Is that ok with you? The muslims have only been doing it for t500 years, and there's only a few left.

It seems to me you're just looking for excuses to poo of our Church, and I'm sorry, but I don't give much attention to your ilk anymore.

All the best to you, and good luck on your search of faith.

[Apotheoun]

The earliest Churches were houses. It was only after Christianity was made legal that it began to build large structures dedicated solely to worship.

[Varg]

[quote name='Didacus' date='27 October 2009 - 02:29 PM' timestamp='1256671775' post='1992222']
It seems to me you're just looking for excuses to poo of our Church, and I'm sorry, but I don't give much attention to your ilk anymore.
[/quote]Read the thread, please

[quote name='Varg' date='22 October 2009 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1256243852' post='1989786']
I hope you all know I only made this thread to get more -reps.
[/quote]

Edited October 27, 2009 by Varg

[Formosus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenon#Christian_church


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon,_Rome#Medieval

Public buildings owned by the government (in this case the Empire) being re appropriated by the Government for use as Christian churches. Seems fair enough, considering by the 6th and 7th centuries I doubt many Pagans were around to complain that such things were happening.

[Norseman82]

So the pagans upgraded to the One True Triune God. Good for them, they found salvation!

[Maximilianus]

St. Boniface of Mainz knew a thing or two about this subject.
He cut down a sacred oak tree dedicated to Thor, stood on the trunk saying “How stands your mighty god? My God is stronger than he.”, then built a chapel out of the wood.

[Varg]

The Vikings knew a thing or two about it as well. The first thing they did when they came to Britain was destroy a monastery.

[Varg]

[quote name='alleros' date='23 October 2009 - 08:11 AM' timestamp='1256303512' post='1990208']
Sadly, some of the old pagan customs survive, like the "rag trees" at Holy Wells.
[/quote]You'd be surprised how many pagan traditions have survived. The days of the week are mainly named after the old gods and traditions.

[add]

[url="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Catholic/2000/10/Surprise-Halloweens-Not-A-Pagan-Festivalafter-All.aspx"]My link[/url]

All Saints Day was originally celebrated in May
[url="http://www.ehow.com/halloween/"][/url]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Varg' date='28 October 2009 - 07:52 AM' timestamp='1256727178' post='1992640']
The Vikings knew a thing or two about it as well. The first thing they did when they came to Britain was destroy a monastery.
[/quote]
No. They came to rob the monasteries and take anything else they could steal, they came from poor farming regions. They were looking for a way to deal with their increase in population, and eventually founded the cities on the northern coast of Ireland. That is why the Irish have red hair

[Varg]

[quote name='apparently' date='28 October 2009 - 08:02 AM' timestamp='1256734929' post='1992667']
[url="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Catholic/2000/10/Surprise-Halloweens-Not-A-Pagan-Festivalafter-All.aspx"]My link[/url]

All Saints Day was originally celebrated in May
[url="http://www.ehow.com/halloween/"][/url]
[/quote]Laughably worng. Samhain was/is celebrated on the 31st of October to celebrate the end of the summer and the begiining of winter. It's also believed to be the Pagan new year.

[Varg]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='28 October 2009 - 08:53 AM' timestamp='1256737983' post='1992697']
No. They came to rob the monasteries and take anything else they could steal, they came from poor farming regions. They were looking for a way to deal with their increase in population, and eventually founded the cities on the northern coast of Ireland. That is why the Irish have red hair
[/quote]I've never met an Irish person with red hair.

Edited October 28, 2009 by Varg

[Winchester]

[quote name='Varg' date='28 October 2009 - 07:08 AM' timestamp='1256728090' post='1992643']
You'd be surprised how many pagan traditions have survived. The days of the week are mainly named after the old gods and traditions.
[/quote]
Yes, shocking.

[add]

[quote name='Varg' date='28 October 2009 - 10:56 AM' timestamp='1256738189' post='1992699']
Laughably worng. Samhain was/is celebrated on the 31st of October to celebrate the end of the summer and the begiining of winter. It's also believed to be the Pagan new year.
[/quote]

Happy All Hallows, my ignorant friend

[Winchester]

[quote name='Varg' date='28 October 2009 - 09:56 AM' timestamp='1256738189' post='1992699']
It's also believed to be the Pagan new year.
[/quote]
Yes, the Pagan, because Pagan is a monolithic religion. All pagans agreed on their calendars. Right.

There is no "The Pagan" anything because pagan is a term referring to many, many different religions.

[JimR-OCDS]

The vigil of this feast is popularly called "Hallowe'en" or
"Halloween".
Solemnity celebrated on the first of November. It is instituted to honour all
the saints, known and unknown, and, according to Urban IV, to supply any
deficiencies in the faithful's celebration of saints' feasts during the year.
In the early days the Christians were accustomed to solemnize the anniversary
of a martyr's death for Christ at the place of martyrdom. In the fourth century,
neighbouring dioceses began to interchange feasts, to transfer relics, to divide
them, and to join in a common feast; as is shown by the invitation of St. Basil
of Caesarea (397) to the bishops of the province of Pontus. Frequently groups of
martyrs suffered on the same day, which naturally led to a joint commemoration.
In the persecution of Diocletian the number of martyrs became so great that a
separate day could not be assigned to each. [b]But the Church, feeling that every
martyr should be venerated, appointed a common day for all. The first trace of
this we find in Antioch on the Sunday after Pentecost.[/b] We also find mention of a
common day in a sermon of St. Ephrem the Syrian (373), and in the 74th homily of
St. John Chrysostom (407). At first only martyrs and St. John the Baptist were
honoured by a special day. Other saints were added gradually, and increased in
number when a regular process of canonization was established; still, as early
as 411 there is in the Chaldean Calendar a "Commemoratio Confessorum" for the
Friday after Easter. In the West Boniface IV, 13 May, 609, or 610, consecrated
the Pantheon in Rome to the Blessed Virgin and all the martyrs, ordering an
anniversary. Gregory III (731-741) consecrated a chapel in the Basilica of St.
Peter to all the saints and fixed the anniversary for 1 November. A basilica of
the Apostles already existed in Rome, and its dedication was annually remembered
on 1 May. Gregory IV (827-844) extended the celebration on 1 November to the
entire Church. The vigil seems to have been held as early as the feast itself.
The octave was added by Sixtus IV (1471-84).


[url="http://newadvent.org/cathen/01315a.htm"]http://newadvent.org/cathen/01315a.htm[/url]

Bold is mine.

Pentecost comes 50 days after Easter.

Hope this helps[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]


Jim

Edited October 28, 2009 by JimR-OCDS