DemonSlayer Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Unfortunately more and more "christian" metal bands are anti-Catholic and anti-religion nowadays.
ParadiseFound Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 [quote name='CaraKnox' timestamp='1297579440' post='2211905'] I am a true christian girl and lets say this list is very VERY VERY hypocritical! First of SLAYER is SATANIC! Their songs focus on horrible hatred for christian anything. Saying how religion is a whore, how jesus didn't die on the cross, it was a lie and if he did, they would be the one to nail him up. Cause he deserves it. YEAH NOT CHRISTIAN! DON'T list bands that are satanic and act like are not. VADER and Dark tranquility are totally Satanic as well. Vader's song "god is dead" Is a prime example. Children of bodom have very suggestive demonic lyrics "banned from heaven" etc. Listening to these bands makes you a sinner. You mine as well stab a kinfe in Jesus' heart and tell him to go [mod]MIKolbe- language[/mod]. Because you are breaking his heart when you subject yourself to that utter filth. You should seriously Revise this and think about what you listen to and how it effects our Savior Jesus Christ. [/quote] [url="http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=20111"]http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=20111[/url]
Lilllabettt Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1298917030' post='2216454'] [url="http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=20111"]http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=20111[/url] [/quote] so they do provocative stuff in order to get a reaction but don't really "mean it." Real mature. What we listen to is powerful, whether the person making the noise "means it" or not. Frankly I don't understand why anyone would repeatedly subject their brains to statements revolving around darkness, despair, suicide and satanic imagery. I mean, I get people think its excellent on a technical level ... but come on. At a certain point it becomes pretty clear what is unhealthy. Find a genre of music where you don't have to skip over the songs about nun-rape.
Seven77 Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 very disturbing. everybody pray for this dude... a sign: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/slayer-frontman-tom-araya-hospitalized-in-sydney-20110228 [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/amen.gif[/img]
ParadiseFound Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1298930439' post='2216561'] so they do provocative stuff in order to get a reaction but don't really "mean it." Real mature. What we listen to is powerful, whether the person making the noise "means it" or not. Frankly I don't understand why anyone would repeatedly subject their brains to statements revolving around darkness, despair, suicide and satanic imagery. I mean, I get people think its excellent on a technical level ... but come on. At a certain point it becomes pretty clear what is unhealthy. Find a genre of music where you don't have to skip over the songs about nun-rape. [/quote] Kerry King (who writes most of the lyrics) is still a 16-year-old at heart. What did you expect? You get used to it after a while. Metal aims to be extreme in all areas, and if that involves writing songs about nunrape or suicide or whatever then so be it. And how is it unhealthy? If anything, being sheltered to the darker side of the world is more unhealthy. Don't like it, don't listen. Simple as that.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1299016980' post='2216916'] Kerry King (who writes most of the lyrics) is still a 16-year-old at heart. What did you expect? You get used to it after a while. Metal aims to be extreme in all areas, and if that involves writing songs about nunrape or suicide or whatever then so be it. And how is it unhealthy? If anything, being sheltered to the darker side of the world is more unhealthy. Don't like it, don't listen. Simple as that. [/quote] So what if a guy wrote racist/neo-Nazi songs, or someone who listened to them extensively? It's all good as long as they aren't serious, right? Don't want to shelter them from the controversy.
ParadiseFound Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299017087' post='2216917'] So what if a guy wrote racist/neo-Nazi songs, or someone who listened to them extensively? It's all good as long as they aren't serious, right? Don't want to shelter them from the controversy. [/quote] Well, there are quite a few racist/neo-Nazi bands in the black metal community. I don't listen to them, personally, but as long as they don't physically harm anyone else I have nothing against them expessing their views.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1299022820' post='2216939'] Well, there are quite a few racist/neo-Nazi bands in the black metal community. I don't listen to them, personally, but as long as they don't physically harm anyone else I have nothing against them expessing their views. [/quote] How would you feel if you had a son who was writing these sorts of songs, but told you that he "didn't really mean it" and was "just out to shock people"?
DemonSlayer Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1298932686' post='2216586'] very disturbing. everybody pray for this dude... a sign: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/slayer-frontman-tom-araya-hospitalized-in-sydney-20110228 [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/amen.gif[/img] [/quote] I'm not really a Slayer fan, but I hope they are able to play at the other Soundwaves.
Lilllabettt Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1299016980' post='2216916'] And how is it unhealthy? If anything, being sheltered to the darker side of the world is more unhealthy. Don't like it, don't listen. Simple as that. [/quote] I don't listen to it. I don't want to pickle my brain in graphic, totally gratuitous images of depravity, violence and death. My curiosity is over why any thinking human being would listen to it. Your thought that by not drinking in a constant stream of filth you might be sheltered from the darker side of the world is asinine and sans merit. A lot of media covers dark topics without going into the kind of detail which is grisly and frankly disrespectful of the true import of these things. Try PBS. What we listen to is POWERFUL. Psychotherapists use guided imagery all the time to treat people with phobias, post traumatic stress, anxiety etc. When I was in the hospital, my surgeons had Belleruth Naparstek piped into the or because their studies found it produced brain activity beneficial to healing. What we listen to changes the brain. Sometimes permanently. We are what we eat. Your brain is what you feed it, good or bad. Edited March 2, 2011 by Lilllabettt
ParadiseFound Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299023717' post='2216942'] How would you feel if you had a son who was writing these sorts of songs, but told you that he "didn't really mean it" and was "just out to shock people"? [/quote] I'm fine with songs about people being brutally murdered but I draw the line at people using racist ideology purely for shock value. The reason? Take Cannibal Corpse lyrics, for an example. They are very hard to take seriously. If you asked the members of Cannibal Corpse if they genuinely wanted to force feed someone broken glass or mummify someone in barbed wire the answer would be a definate 'no'. The lyrics are fantastical. Racist lyrics, on the other hand, could be easily misinterpreted as genuine. I probably haven't explained myself very well, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1299083973' post='2217159'] I don't listen to it. I don't want to pickle my brain in graphic, totally gratuitous images of depravity, violence and death. My curiosity is over why any thinking human being would listen to it. Your thought that by not drinking in a constant stream of filth you might be sheltered from the darker side of the world is asinine and sans merit. A lot of media covers dark topics without going into the kind of detail which is grisly and frankly disrespectful of the true import of these things. Try PBS. What we listen to is POWERFUL. Psychotherapists use guided imagery all the time to treat people with phobias, post traumatic stress, anxiety etc. When I was in the hospital, my surgeons had Belleruth Naparstek piped into the or because their studies found it produced brain activity beneficial to healing. What we listen to changes the brain. Sometimes permanently. We are what we eat. Your brain is what you feed it, good or bad. [/quote] Well, I don't understand why any thinking human being would want to listen to Justin Bieber. But they do, in their millions. I will respond to that with a quote from a very wise man: 'What is this garbage you're watching? I want to watch the news.' 'This IS the news.' I like it because it implies that what you can find on the news is generally worse than what you can find in supposedly controversial pieces of art, literature and music. Clearly, metal doesn't have negative effects on the vast majority of its fanbase. Otherwise we'd all be serial killers and church arsonists. But metalheads are generally the most friendly, down to earth and genuine people you could possibly hope to meet.
Seven77 Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 It's very shallow and foolish to think that its ok to listen to lyrics that [i]advocate[/i] murder and rape as long as the artists don't really mean it. What the heck? That's the wack compartmentalization mentality/philosophy that condones abortion. Let's get with the program.
Seven77 Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='DemonSlayer' timestamp='1299028265' post='2216968'] I'm not really a Slayer fan, but I hope they are able to play at the other Soundwaves. [/quote] I hope they have the courage to live for truth first. May this setback bring it about.
ParadiseFound Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1299107459' post='2217302'] It's very shallow and foolish to think that its ok to listen to lyrics that [i]advocate[/i] murder and rape as long as the artists don't really mean it.[/quote] Why? [quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1299107969' post='2217304'] I hope they have the courage to live for truth first. May this setback bring it about. [/quote] Glenn Beck will become a Socialist before Kerry King becomes a Christian...
Seven77 Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1299109101' post='2217308'] Why? [/quote] it's a lack of sincerity for the sake of entertainment. It's schizophrenia.
ParadiseFound Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1299113246' post='2217323'] it's a lack of sincerity for the sake of entertainment. It's schizophrenia. [/quote] *Gasp* How [i]dare[/i] entertainers have a lack of sincerity! This is an outrage!
Nihil Obstat Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 What if some Phatmassers went around saying "Paradise Found should be murdered!" and then detailing a variety of brutal inhuman ways to do it? When you challenge them on it, they say "well it's just for shock value. We don't *really* want to kill you." I guess that's ok, right?
ParadiseFound Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299176158' post='2217499'] What if some Phatmassers went around saying "Paradise Found should be murdered!" and then detailing a variety of brutal inhuman ways to do it? When you challenge them on it, they say "well it's just for shock value. We don't *really* want to kill you." I guess that's ok, right? [/quote] Fine by me.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='ParadiseFound' timestamp='1299176806' post='2217510'] Fine by me. [/quote] Kewl. At least you're more or less consistent. I find it kinda creepy though, personally.
ParadiseFound Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1299177199' post='2217513'] Kewl. At least you're more or less consistent. I find it kinda creepy though, personally. [/quote] Find what creepy?
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