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[willguy]

[quote]we repent of sins to remain righteous in our walk. [/qutote]
What's the point in remaining righteous? What's the point in any of it if we are guaranteed salvation?

[quote]if I think a bad thought then die, having lived a life righteous before God, will I go to heaven?
[/quote]
Hopefully, though with a brief gig in Purgatory first.

[HomeTeamFamily]

[quote]What's the point in remaining righteous? What's the point in any of it if we are guaranteed salvation?[/quote]

thats what ive been trying to get at.....

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='willguy' date='Apr 26 2004, 09:55 PM'] Hopefully, though with a brief gig in Purgatory first. [/quote]
Hey will quote problem alert

[the lumberjack]

its because he's been on the OTHER boards, dukin it out with Bruce, ALL the live long day!

thats why he's all disoriented...

and willguy, yes we are guaranteed salvation, but that doesn't mean that we can be lazy...as with a garden, you will have fruit in the end, but that doesn't mean that you can just plant the seeds and walk away...you must care for it and prune away all the weeds and evil...or else, whose to say you had a garden in the first place?

we get rid of the weeds that our flesh and the devil and his minions attempt to put in our way as stumbling blocks... "all things work together for good for those that love God"

as I've said, we MAY fall away, but God's voice is UNMISTAKABLE...and He WILL call us back to Himself, despite our stupidity. I am a living testimony to that...and I'm not alone.

[Livin_the_MASS]

St. Paul wrote to work out our salvation in fear and trembling, have you skipped that Scripture.

Or what about in Romans 2: 5-8 were St. Paul speaks of that God will repay each man according to his WORKS!

Didn't Jesus speak of a Hell, did He not breath on the apostles and gave them power to forgive sins. If salvation were a "certain thing" then I ask you tell me, why these Words of Sacred Scripture.

Know that the Holy Spirit doesn't waste words!

God Bless
Jason

[Dave]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 12:52 AM'] and willguy, yes we are guaranteed salvation, but that doesn't mean that we can be lazy...as with a garden, you will have fruit in the end, but that doesn't mean that you can just plant the seeds and walk away...you must care for it and prune away all the weeds and evil...or else, whose to say you had a garden in the first place?


[/quote]
Your analogy is an ineffective one. A garden that you're lazy about is still a garden. Just because the fruits die or whatever doesn't mean the garden never existed in the first place.

[quote]we get rid of the weeds that our flesh and the devil and his minions attempt to put in our way as stumbling blocks...  "all things work together for good for those that love God"[/quote]

True enough ...

[quote]as I've said, we MAY fall away, but God's voice is UNMISTAKABLE...and He WILL call us back to Himself, despite our stupidity.  I am a living testimony to that...and I'm not alone.[/quote]

Yes, God WILL call us back to Himself. But the question is, will we listen? We have free will to choose to listen to Him or to ignore Him.

[HomeTeamFamily]

you also didnt really answer the question......if you are GUARANTEED HEAVEN......and nothing can take that away.....what is the point in living a life directed toward God......what do you gain from it? more heaven? what?

[HomeTeamFamily]

bttt-ity

[Dave]

I don't understand how people can say that a person can get saved and never lose their salvation and yet, if said person commits serious sins, they say it means they weren't truly saved in the first place. Thus, the only way to know if a person really is saved is if they pass their whole life without falling into serious sin. As a result, the knowledge of whether a person is truly saved would be kept in suspense until death, which means it would be no assurance at all.

[HomeTeamFamily]

good point dave......and furthermore, if someone was truly saved, they would not sin and thus be perfect, having no need for God at all.....

[the lumberjack]

quick reply.

did Christ die for all the sins we committed up until we got saved?

or did Christ die for ALL sins period?

this does not give us license to sin as we please, and if you read your Bible, you'd see that Paul very eloquently points this out...many times.

we are to be holy as Christ is holy...does this mean that we are perfect as He is?

this is why we repent and ask God for forgivenness...this is why we must walk the righteous walk.

this is also why once you are saved, and walk with the Lord, you can fall away, but God will NOT abandon you.

God bless.

[Dave]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:19 PM'] this is also why once you are saved, and walk with the Lord, you can fall away, but God will NOT abandon you.

[/quote]
I said this once ...

But anyway, while God will never abandon you, that doesn't mean you can't abandon God and continue to abandon Him up until the very end.

[the lumberjack]

sure dave, pick ONE line you could actually say something about that would make it seem like it made sense... but yet, still doesn't.

*sigh*

[Dave]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:43 PM'] sure dave, pick ONE line you could actually say something about that would make it seem like it made sense... but yet, still doesn't.

*sigh* [/quote]
Deal with what I say, and don't make cheap jabs.

[the lumberjack]

so are you gonna respond to the rest of my questions too, or just the parts you want?

love.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:11 PM'] so are you gonna respond to the rest of my questions too, or just the parts you want?

love. [/quote]
LJ do you have a free will?

[Livin_the_MASS]

Can you use it?

[Livin_the_MASS]

Why is there a Hell if we will all be saved?

Why did the Lord speak of the day of Judgment the sheep on His right and the goats on his left?

Why does he call the goats acursed and send them to eternal damnation are the once damed always damed?

[Livin_the_MASS]

John 3: 17

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, [b]but that the world might be save through him."[/b]

See the might, He gave us a free will to use, sometimes it is the wrong way!

[willguy]

LJ,

You didn't answer my question. You said:
[quote]and willguy, yes we are guaranteed salvation, but that doesn't mean that we can be lazy...as with a garden, you will have fruit in the end, but that doesn't mean that you can just plant the seeds and walk away...you must care for it and prune away all the weeds and evil...or else, whose to say you had a garden in the first place?

we get rid of the weeds that our flesh and the devil and his minions attempt to put in our way as stumbling blocks... "all things work together for good for those that love God"

as I've said, we MAY fall away, but God's voice is UNMISTAKABLE...and He WILL call us back to Himself, despite our stupidity. I am a living testimony to that...and I'm not alone. [/quote]
You say all this stuff that we should do. You say that we shouldn't be lazy and we should rid ourselves of the works of the devil, etc. However, my question to you is simple:

WHY?

Why do all this when we are guaranteed salvation? If I'm guaranteed salvation, why not enjoy myself now? Pass the women and beer! If I'm guaranteed to go to heaven, then why not sin to my heart's content? Why bother reading the Bible, praying, or helping others? I'm going to heaven; let's party, pass the booze!