Rastafarianism

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='25 June 2010 - 09:18 PM' timestamp='1277515096' post='2134355']
I think that, inasmuch as a Muslim intends to render adoration to the Creator and Lord of the all things, he adores God, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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If an individual openly rejects Christ, then when he prays he is not praying to Christ. Otherwise, one could argue that every individual of any religion adores Christ despite their rejection of Him, which I believe would be theological indifferentism.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='25 June 2010 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1277514879' post='2134352']
You believe that Muslims worship Jesus Christ, even though they and their god reject Him? Can you please explain your reasoning? I would like to see your opinion and explanation, not a quote.
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Well then you'll have to ask someone else. As I've said many times, I'm not a theologian. I don't know the why or the how. I'm a historian (if I can be anything at all). I can't explain why the theologians of the Church say what they do on this matter. I can only record that they do say so, and if they say so, then its good enough for me. I apologize if this isn't good enough for you, but I'm not an intellectual (and especially not in this matter.)

[Apotheoun]

This thread is - like many at Phatmass is going in circles - and so I think I will bow out of it rather than see people become angry at each other.

God bless.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='25 June 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1277515357' post='2134362']
This thread is - like many at Phatmass is going in circles - and so I think I will bow out of it rather than see people become angry at each other.

God bless.
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I as well

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='goldenchild17' date='25 June 2010 - 09:22 PM' timestamp='1277515322' post='2134359']
Well then you'll have to ask someone else. As I've said many times, I'm not a theologian. I don't know the why or the how. I'm a historian (if I can be anything at all). I can't explain why the theologians of the Church say what they do on this matter. I can only record that they do say so, and if they say so, then its good enough for me. I apologize if this isn't good enough for you, but I'm not an intellectual (and especially not in this matter.)
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I have come to my conclusion based on the atrocities Allah has called his followers to commit for the good of Islam. My God would never ask me to spread the Gospel through violence, death, and hatred. God Bless.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='25 June 2010 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1277515286' post='2134358']
If an individual openly rejects Christ, then when he prays he is not praying to Christ. Otherwise, one could argue that every individual of any religion adores Christ despite their rejection of Him, which I believe would be theological indifferentism.
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It would be theological indifferentism to deny that all men have a duty to practice the one true religion, the Catholic religion. I have never said anything of the sort. Rather, I affirm that everyone has a duty to adore God in the way that He has revealed is pleasing to Him.

That does not mean, however, that non-Catholics cannot render real (albeit imperfect) worship to the one true God, the holy and undivided Trinity.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='25 June 2010 - 07:25 PM' timestamp='1277515553' post='2134365']
I have come to my conclusion based on the atrocities Allah has called his followers to commit for the good of Islam. My God would never ask me to spread the Gospel through violence, death, and hatred. God Bless.
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It is a very evil, disgusting religion, I agree. Doesn't change my opinion on this particular matter however. I personally can't explain the reasons for it, but I trust that the theologians who agree with me, could defend the position quite ably. call it blind faith I suppose. It is what it is.

Edited June 26, 2010 by goldenchild17

[Seven77]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='25 June 2010 - 08:47 PM' timestamp='1277509661' post='2134260']
Muslims cannot possibly worship the One True God. [i]The god of Islam and the God of Christianity are completely different deities.[/i]
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lol...how do you know?

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='26 June 2010 - 01:29 PM' timestamp='1277515761' post='2134368']
It would be theological indifferentism to deny that all men have a duty to practice the one true religion, the Catholic religion. I have never said anything of the sort. Rather, I affirm that everyone has a duty to adore God in the way that He has revealed is pleasing to Him.

That does not mean, however, that non-Catholics cannot render real (albeit imperfect) worship to the one true God, the holy and undivided Trinity.
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I've been trying to give you a +1 but it won't let me. Even if only 1/2% of Muslims can pass through the eye of the needle, some will. It would be foolish to think otherwise. However I've been told that the burden of hatred is too large to fit through. I will keep praying for you HCF that what appears as hatred is in fact not. Unfortunately I will be unable to continue this discussion as I will be away for a few days. It could be a good thing. Peace to you from he who was and who come again.

[Seven77]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='22 June 2010 - 09:59 PM' timestamp='1277254765' post='2133044']
Haile Selassie was Ethiopian Orthodox.
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Yes...you're right. Don't know why i got it mixed up. Bob Marley converted to his faith...makes sense.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='25 June 2010 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1277515096' post='2134355']
I think that, inasmuch as a Muslim intends to render adoration to the Creator and Lord of the all things, he adores God, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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Win.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='22 June 2010 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1277161963' post='2132452']
Hopefully the answers won't start any squabbles. I prefer to just keep my eyes fixed on Jesus and the Church he started. It might have been good to include an I don't know option or to get the views of the people that follow those religions.
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Did I pick that! Like a Bondi Tram!

[Seven77]

[quote name='desertwoman' date='22 June 2010 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1277260146' post='2133087']
Yep. They are messianic. I just got tired of them denying history. One thing is they will tell you that its a lie that you are descended from African slaves. Man, please! Then where did your daddy come from? He is black as day and he aint Jewish! Crazy folks.....crazy.
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It's just a bunch of foolishness! They think Puerto Ricans are descendants of one of the 12 Tribes, Haitians from another, Jamaicans from another, etc. Lol.

[MichaelFilo]

There is an actual discrepancy between God as portrayed in the Koran and the God who is worshiped by Muslims. This problem is found in Catholicism as well. For Muslims, it is because the Koran paints an incorrect picture of God. For Catholics, the problem arises from our own personal imperfect understanding. Nonetheless, we have the safeguard of true worship in the Eucharist, whereas Muslims have no such assurance.

Nonetheless, if you asked a Muslim, do you worship the Creator of the World, the Alpha and Omega, the God of Abraham and Jacob, with no beginning or end, he would respond "yes." Insomuch as that is true, that they try to worship this God, then they are aiming to worship the true God, regardless of the faults of the means and forms of their worship.

Muslims are not right, it is not salvific, but as an Arab Christian, it is hard to imagine that it is some other God they worship. I don't like it, because it would be nice to have a clear cut distinction, but we have no such convenience.

[Selah]

[quote name='Apotheoun' timestamp='1277513865' post='2134321']
The true God is not a mental abstraction that a man can find by his own powers of intellect. There is no such thing as "god in general."
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I wish you still posted here. That's amesome.

[Amppax]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1277509605' post='2134258']
This is an extremely good example. The God I worship would not beaver dam someone to Hell before he was even conceived.
Which bring us to:


The way I see it is that - assuming for a second, it is the same God - both we and the Muslims are looking at the same God. Our telescope of 2000 years of tradition and infallibility provides a clear and sharp view of Him, while their telescope whose lens has been broken with the teachings of a false prophet are now left with a distorted and confusing view, leading to misunderstandings about what He really looks like.
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This may be my favorite post of yours ever

[Vincent Vega]

Meh. Needs more snark.

[Guest]

Didn't read thread but mormons try pretty hard to worship the real God I think. They tend to be pretty good people too. Have a really good friend now who was raised mormon. She comes from a huge family. I swear she's catholic and doesn't know. A really good person too. Its sad that the mormon religion has to confuse things so much. She also thinks she's baptised yet the catholic church has come out and said a mormon baptism is not valid. Yet in her mind she thinks it is. God is good so I pray for His mercy and grace in the situation.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1328113402' post='2378948']
Didn't read thread but mormons try pretty hard to worship the real God I think. They tend to be pretty good people too. Have a really good friend now who was raised mormon. She comes from a huge family. I swear she's catholic and doesn't know. A really good person too. Its sad that the mormon religion has to confuse things so much. She also thinks she's baptised yet the catholic church has come out and said a mormon baptism is not valid. Yet in her mind she thinks it is. God is good so I pray for His mercy and grace in the situation.
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While I hope the best for your friend, I could try pretty hard to be an airplane.

[Guest]

I don't get it.