New Instruction On Summorum Pontificum

[Nihil Obstat]

[url="http://irenaeusgsaintonge.blogspot.com/2011/05/universae-ecclesiae.html"]Are you ready for it?[/url]



According to Fr. Z, whom I trust very much, the new instruction on Summorum Pontificum (Universae Ecclesiae) is to be released to the public at noon (Rome time) on Friday. The Vatican press corps already has the text (I suppose so they can write about it right after it's released), but the rest of us have to wait to get a first look at it.
Fr. Z seems to be cautiously pleased with it. He described it as a no-hitter, but not a perfect game, which seems to be far more good than bad. Especially encouraging is his opinion that the National catholic Reported (a.k.a. the Fishwrap) is going to hate it. That's always a good thing, although not saying much since they hate everything legitimately Catholic.
My plan is to print off Universae Ecclesiae as soon as I get up in the morning, read over it while I'm at work, then write a blog post as soon as I can after I get home. Let's all pray that it's great stuff.

If you remember, the rumours much earlier on were that this instruction was going to roll back some of the gains we traddies have been made since Summorum Pontificum. If my perception of the atmosphere is correct, this isn't the worry any longer. In any case, I find it unlikely that the Holy Father would sign a document which was in any way hostile to his own obvious love and respect for the Traditional Mass. (If the rumours I've heard are correct, he's been known to celebrate it privately since his election to the papacy.)

Anyway, pray that this new document makes the Old Mass more widely available, thereby deepening the faith and reverence of our Catholic brothers and sisters.

[kafka]

I pray for human persons not documents and liturgical forms and developments and decisions of the temporal authority, and so on.

Edited May 12, 2011 by kafka

[Nihil Obstat]

I don't recall advocating prayers for inanimate objects.

[kafka]

although I do add at the end of my litanies:

"save the Latin Mass, save the world"

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1305149202' post='2240218']
If you remember, the rumours much earlier on were that this instruction was going to roll back some of the gains we traddies have been made since Summorum Pontificum. If my perception of the atmosphere is correct, this isn't the worry any longer.[/quote]

Yes, I remember signing a petition.

[quote]Anyway, pray that this new document makes the Old Mass more widely available, thereby deepening the faith and reverence of our Catholic brothers and sisters.
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[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1305162922' post='2240301']
Yes, I remember signing a petition.




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Name: Joseph B---------- on Feb 18, 2011 #1259
Diocese (Include Country): Calgary, Alberta, Canada
State of Life (Bishop, Priest, Deacon, Layman, Academic, etc.): Layman





You're number 1404.
[url="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/motuproprioappeal/"]http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/motuproprioappeal/[/url]

[kafka]

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I don't recall advocating prayers for inanimate objects.
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I'm having a little fun here, not like last week when I was rebuking you, though I do seem to recall you mentioning in a thread a few months back that you were praying that a rubric be changed over the next five years.

Just remember, human persons are more important than rubrics and liturgical forms. As soon as a significant number of Catholics decide to sincerely change their lives and practice the Faith, then all the outward forms will be set in order, because reverence proceeds from the soul, from the will and intellect, from living a moral life, from accepting all the teachings of Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Magisterium, from being in the state of grace, from cooperation with actual graces, from prayer, self-denial, works of mercy. All of this starts in the will, not ultimately from the modification of a liturgical form. Now these outward forms might help a very very little (if at all), but they will not in and of themselves change people before God.

So I think praying for sinners will do more good than praying for a liturgical change or anything of the sort. That is my opinion. This is what Mary has been teaching us over the past two hundred years.

Not to ruin your joy, if you like the Latin Mass then good for you. I'm just here to keep a little balance whether anyone likes it or not.

Edited May 12, 2011 by kafka

[kafka]

and just for the record (in general for everyone).

I literally served or assisted at one or more Latin Masses for about five straight years or more, I cant remember now. I've been on both sides, I've been here and there, I've done and read a great many things when it comes to this. And I know for certain that even though things seem to be going back and forth with the culture wars over liturgical forms, I think it is best to be detached from them, since they are all passing away.

Focus on the essentials.

Edited May 12, 2011 by kafka

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1305164100' post='2240312']
I'm having a little fun here, not like last week when I was rebuking you, though I do seem to recall you mentioning in a thread a few months back that you were praying that a rubric be changed over the next five years.

Just remember, human persons are more important than rubrics and liturgical forms. As soon as a significant number of Catholics decide to sincerely change their lives and practice the Faith, then all the outward forms will be set in order, because reverence proceeds from the soul, from the will and intellect, from living a moral life, from accepting all the teachings of Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Magisterium, from being in the state of grace, from cooperation with actual graces, from prayer, self-denial, works of mercy. All of this starts in the will, not ultimately from the modification of a liturgical form. Now these outward forms might help a very very little (if at all), but they will not in and of themselves change people before God.

So I think praying for sinners will do more good than praying for a liturgical change or anything of the sort. That is my opinion. This is what Mary has been teaching us over the past two hundred years.

Not to ruin your joy, if you like the Latin Mass then good for you. I'm just here to keep a little balance whether anyone likes it or not.
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Praying that something happens is not at all the same as praying for an inanimate object. To pray for that rubric change is to pray for an action which is good for the faith.
Furthermore, if I pray that a rubric is changed, that does not mean in any sense whatsoever that I'm praying less for intentions for sinners, souls in purgatory, etc., etc..

[kafka]

alright Nihil, I just said what I had to say.

[Nihil Obstat]

Indeed.

[kafka]

{7:31} and those who use the things of this world, as if they were not using them. For the figure of this world is passing away.

[Nihil Obstat]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2V.HTM"]1083[/url] The dual dimension of the Christian liturgy as a response of faith and love to the spiritual blessings the Father bestows on us is thus evident. On the one hand, the Church, united with her Lord and "in the Holy Spirit,"5 blesses the Father "for his inexpressible gift6 in her adoration, praise, and thanksgiving. On the other hand, until the consummation of God's plan, the Church never ceases to present to the Father the offering of his own gifts and to beg him to send the Holy Spirit upon that offering, upon herself, upon the faithful, and upon the whole world, so that through communion in the death and resurrection of Christ the Priest, and by the power of the Spirit, these divine blessings will bring forth the fruits of life "to the praise of his glorious grace."7

[kafka]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1305167575' post='2240341']
[url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2V.HTM"]1083[/url] The dual dimension of the Christian liturgy as a response of faith and love to the spiritual blessings the Father bestows on us is thus evident. On the one hand, the Church, united with her Lord and "in the Holy Spirit,"5 blesses the Father "for his inexpressible gift6 in her adoration, praise, and thanksgiving. On the other hand, until the consummation of God's plan, the Church never ceases to present to the Father the offering of his own gifts and to beg him to send the Holy Spirit upon that offering, upon herself, upon the faithful, and upon the whole world, so that through communion in the death and resurrection of Christ the Priest, and by the power of the Spirit, these divine blessings will bring forth the fruits of life "to the praise of his glorious grace."7
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exactly notice how the focus is on the Church giving blessings, praise, adoration and thanksgiving to the Father through Communion in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus united in the Holy Spirit and not on the liturgical forms. All the forms of praise, adoration, thanksgiving, blessings, and so on would have little value if it were not for the One Consecration and One Communion. The forms have lesser value for those who are not in the state of sanctifying grace. The forms have greater value for those in the state of sanctifying grace and who are cooperating with actual graces during the Mass in prayer. Communion has no value for those in the state of unrepented mortal sin. It is a contradiction and a condemnation.

All the liturgical forms of the present will be transfigured in the future world-age of the New Heaven and New Earth. They have a use for the present but they are fading away. We are not to be attached to them. We are to use them, not be used by them.

Edited May 12, 2011 by kafka

[Nihil Obstat]

Are you implying then, that a correctly celebrated Mass is not particularly important, and that we need not expend effort towards that end?

[kafka]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1305168637' post='2240347']
Are you implying then, that a correctly celebrated Mass is not particularly important, and that we need not expend effort towards that end?
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I'm not implying anything. I am being forthright with my words, focusing on essentials, and offering balance in accord with my understanding and experience. We musnt omitt the lesser things:

{23:23} Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you collect tithes on mint and dill and cumin, but you have abandoned the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, [b]while not omitting the others[/b].
{23:24} You blind guides, straining out a gnat, while swallowing a camel!

but the lesser things would have no value if it were not for the weightier things: judgment and mercy and faith and love.

{23:25} Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you clean what is outside the cup and the dish, but on the inside you are full of avarice and impurity.

clean and correct outward liturgical forms, do not clean and transform filthy souls in the state of actual mortal sin.

{23:26} You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the dish, and then what is outside becomes clean.

cleaning the inside [the soul] is more important than cleaning the outside [the body, outward liturgical forms, gestures, music, formal prayers, etc.]

{23:27} Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed sepulchers, which outwardly appear brilliant to men, yet truly, inside, they are filled with the bones of the dead and with all filth.

some bishops, priests, laymen throughout history performed and assisted at all these clean and correct Masses, liturgical rites, and so on which appear brilliant to men but they had little effect since they were filled with many unrepentant actual mortal sins.

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich had a very good quote about all these things in her visions, but I cannot find it now.

Right now the Church and the world is generally evil and complex with many severe problems. Outward forms, gestures, correctness and so on is in my opinion one of the very least of our problems. I'm not fighting against you in this thread, just offering my understanding as a gift to help all who come here.

{61:1} The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, for the Lord has anointed me. He has sent me to bring good news to the meek, so as to heal the contrite of heart, to preach leniency to captives and release to the confined,
{61:2} and so to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vindication of our God: to console all who are mourning,
{61:3} to take up the mourners of Zion and to give them a crown in place of ashes, an oil of joy in place of mourning, a cloak of praise in place of a spirit of grief. And there, they shall be called the strong ones of justice, the planting of the Lord, unto glorification.
{61:4} And they will rebuild the deserted places of past ages, and they will raise up the ruins of antiquity, and they will repair the desolate cities, which had been dissipated for generation after generation.
{61:5} And foreigners will stand up and will pasture your flocks. And the sons of sojourners will be your farmers and the workers of your vineyards.
{61:6} But you yourselves will be called the priests of the Lord. It will be said to you, “You are the ministers of our God.” You will eat from the strength of the Gentiles, and you will pride yourself on their glory.


In any case I'll be gone from here soon, so you wont have to deal with me anymore.

Edited May 12, 2011 by kafka

[CatherineM]

I have a question, and I'm not trying to be a pain by asking. I simply do not know, and not being a traddie, I hadn't thought about it before now. I know that the OF in English is being revised to a more faithful translation. I completely support that effort, and it is currently being phased in by our pastors. I'm wondering if the same translation issues occurred in other languages. I mean is there this kind of fight going on in Spanish speaking countries, or German? If so, are they, or have they, received a revised translation? If not, why have we had this trouble in English?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='kafka' timestamp='1305170128' post='2240362']

In any case I'll be gone from here soon, so you wont have to deal with me anymore.
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I see.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='CatherineM' timestamp='1305170366' post='2240364']
I have a question, and I'm not trying to be a pain by asking. I simply do not know, and not being a traddie, I hadn't thought about it before now. I know that the OF in English is being revised to a more faithful translation. I completely support that effort, and it is currently being phased in by our pastors. I'm wondering if the same translation issues occurred in other languages. I mean is there this kind of fight going on in Spanish speaking countries, or German? If so, are they, or have they, received a revised translation? If not, why have we had this trouble in English?
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I can't say for certain, but I think most other vernacular translations are at least marginally better, given what there is to work with.

[Amppax]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1305170458' post='2240368']
I can't say for certain, but I think most other vernacular translations are at least marginally better, given what there is to work with.
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A part of this, at least with other romance languages (Spanish, French, etc) would be that they are closer to the original Latin then English, thus it is easier to provide a more faithful translation, and still have the vernacular sound natural. I'm not sure about other languages, though. I also don't know if this is accurate at all, but that would be my thought.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Amppax