Sarah147 Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Well, the *need* is there....Mater, Joyful, and more people are needing to talk about marriage. So there needs to be an appropriate place. I hope for vs, but a split as Emily mentions could be experimented with... I'm thinking more like how Transmundane is split with Word, etc. It would keep vocation station the same, and have a sub-marriage forum (courting/dating/wife/husband/engagement/chastity). Edited December 29, 2011 by JoyfulLife
vee Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1325089244' post='2358528'] I know marriage is a vocation, but this board is for phuture nuns and priests. I know the name is "Vocation Station", but if you read the fine print under the description, it specifically indicates religious life. Being married is great, but this board was created to foster and encourage religious vocations, which is a superior calling. Thanks. If you don't like it, then leave and go find a spouse who cares about your feelings. [/quote] sheesh, what do you think you do? run the place or something??
dominicansoul Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1325089244' post='2358528'] If you don't like it, then leave and go find a spouse who cares about your feelings. [/quote]
Cherie Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 Perhaps VS has evolved to be more open to discussions of marriage. I personally think it would be superfluous to have an entire other board dedicated to marriage/courtship. It is too infrequent a topic, which is why it makes sense that the rare discussions on the VOCATION of marriage seem appropriate here. I still hold that VS has been, and always will be, mostly focused on consecrated life. I certainly disagree that a few innocuous (because no one is going into sexual details in VS!!) topics on marriage would taint that. Rather, I believe it adds to it.
i<3franciscans Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 Wow I missed a lot today. [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1325118806' post='2358817'] Well, the *need* is there....Mater, Joyful, and more people are needing to talk about marriage. So there needs to be an appropriate place. I hope for vs, but a split as Emily mentions could be experimented with... I'm thinking more like how Transmundane is split with Word, etc. It would keep vocation station the same, and have a sub-marriage/courting/dating/wife/husband/engagement/chastity thread. [/quote] I have to agree with Joyful here. I think that this would work great, but I don't wait to raise a riot. We should not worry, dUSt knows what is best for us. Prayers everything works out.
Sarah147 Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) I agree with Cherie. This is an important matter to me. I'm praying for a good turn of events. Edited December 29, 2011 by JoyfulLife
i<3franciscans Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='CherieMadame' timestamp='1325119416' post='2358834'] Perhaps VS has evolved to be more open to discussions of marriage. I personally think it would be superfluous to have an entire other board dedicated to marriage/courtship. It is too infrequent a topic, which is why it makes sense that the rare discussions on the VOCATION of marriage seem appropriate here. I still hold that VS has been, and always will be, mostly focused on consecrated life. I certainly disagree that a few innocuous (because no one is going into sexual details in VS!!) topics on marriage would taint that. Rather, I believe it adds to it. [/quote]I think that they should really be split. We would all understand if they were blended, but we have to remember that there are always new people joining and it would be nice for them if everything was organized and such when they join. We don't want to scare them away if they misunderstand the mixture of topics.
Sarah147 Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 That sounds wise, too, I just worry about the infrequency of visits to a new board. The infrequency of marriage threads on vs compared to the lack of visits to a new marriage board....I'd opt for allowing those threads here I think. But, hopefully we can experiment and see what is best.
i<3franciscans Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 It is all so hard. I feel like no matter what dUSt ends up doing he won't be able to please everybody. Poor dUSt!
Cherie Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='i<3franciscans' timestamp='1325119672' post='2358840'] We don't want to scare them away if they misunderstand the mixture of topics. [/quote] Personally I don't see that being an issue. Threads on marriage in VS are few and far between and I can't imagine anyone being confused or "scared away" by seeing them, anyway. Just my two cents. As always, we will respect dUSt's decision on the issue.Besides, wasn't there a "resources on marriage" pin in VS at one point?
Nunsense Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1325094333' post='2358597'] I assumed you guys would know that you could still talk about marriage when discussing religious vocations (because it would be impossible not to). I just didn't want there to be threads that were started that focus on marriage. [/quote] Gosh and golly A person goes to sleep for a little while and comes back to a 4 page debate on VS! I'm not sure what all the storm is about since this one sentence sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Don't START threads that focus on marriage. End of story. As for whether or not religious life is higher than marriage or whether kids should be allowed on VS or whether there should be another forum started etc etc etc ... it has been 4 pages worth of debate over this one sentence! Take it to Debate Table guys! dUSt asks that we don't START threads that focus on marriage. He doesn't say never to discuss marriage in existing threads. He doesn't say those who are discerning married life can't post here. He doesn't say that teens can't read here. Read the sentence he wrote!!!! Don't START threads that focus on marriage!! dUSt has spoken!
i<3franciscans Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='CherieMadame' timestamp='1325120366' post='2358867'] Personally I don't see that being an issue. Threads on marriage in VS are few and far between and I can't imagine anyone being confused or "scared away" by seeing them, anyway. Just my two cents. As always, we will respect dUSt's decision on the issue. Besides, wasn't there a "resources on marriage" pin in VS at one point? [/quote]I am sorry. *Scared away" was the wrong choice of words, I am just tried and couldn't think of anything else. BTW you do make a good point about the resources for marriage....
i<3franciscans Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1325120457' post='2358872'] dUSt has spoken! [/quote]
Sarah147 Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Nunsense, we potential marriage-discerners want a place welcome to topics specifically about marriage. I want to continue posting in the marriage threads that are sitting in VS, but am afraid Dust doesn't want that to continue....I'm hoping for VS to welcome marriage, or for a special sub-place. When it affects someone personally, it puts a new spin on things... Edited December 29, 2011 by JoyfulLife
Cherie Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1325120457' post='2358872'] dUSt asks that we don't START threads that focus on marriage. He doesn't say never to discuss marriage in existing threads. He doesn't say those who are discerning married life can't post here. He doesn't say that teens can't read here. Read the sentence he wrote!!!! Don't START threads that focus on marriage!! dUSt has spoken! [/quote] I think the discussion (because of course we will do whatever dUSt says, this is just feedback) is based on the fact that 1) Topics started on marriage in VS are rare, 2) The recent flurry of threads specifically regarding marriage are the result of some members who recently took a turn in their vocational discernment, 3) It doesn't seem harmful, but rather beneficial, to have a few topics on marriage because it is a vocation in the Church, VS is and always will be mainly focused on consecrated life, and to set a rule about "no topics started on marriage" would seem, perhaps, a bit stifling. We're just giving some feedback. Which I hope is constructive and valuable, not worthless or argumentative.
BarbTherese Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) dUSt has indeed spoken! And as the authority on Phatmass it says it all. To my mind its fair enough to state that threads cannot be started dealing specifically with marriage in this Forum. Of course "Vocation Station" does imply the broad range of vocations until one reads "the small print" and that it is confined to Religious Life and/or the priesthood. Hence it is quite limited and does not embrace "vocation" in its' true meaning of discerning and following God's Will. Besides marriage, there are Third Orders and Secular Institutes of Consecrated Life - Consecration of Virgins (which is not religious life!). There is also the single state. Not to start threads dealing with anything but religious life and/or the priesthood is fair enough, which does not mean that other vocations which may come into a discussion and are discussed in a thread are not acceptable. Its not the ruling on this Vocation Forum that I am uneasy about under the instructions from dUSt, it is an implication by calling it "Vocation Station" - plus the assertive and authoritative ruling by dUSt - that religious life and/or priesthood are the only vocations. A forum name change to perhaps "Religious Life and/or Priesthood" or something similar would make things immediately clear. Edited December 29, 2011 by BarbaraTherese
Nunsense Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1325120839' post='2358891'] Nunsense, we potential marriage-discerners want a place welcome to topics specifically about marriage. I want to continue posting in the marriage threads that are sitting in VS, but am afraid Dust doesn't want that to continue....I'm hoping for VS to welcome marriage, or for a special sub-place. When it affects someone personally, it puts a new spin on things... [/quote] dUSt also made that clear. Post those threads in Open Mic. If the title of the thread is something like Discerning Marriage (or similar), it might even become a 'hot topic', if there are that many people interested in chatting about marriage. If it becomes so hot that it takes up lots of space, maybe then dUSt will think about giving it it's own forum, but why not give it a go for now and see what happens? That doesn't mean you can't post in VS or even comment about marriage here - but just don't START threads about marriage. how is that hard to understand?
Nunsense Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='BarbaraTherese' timestamp='1325121804' post='2358919'] Its not the ruling on this Vocation Forum that I am uneasy about under the instructions from dUSt, it is an implication by calling it "Vocation Station" that religious life and/or priesthood are the only vocations. A forum name change to perhaps "Religious Life and/or Priesthood" or something similar would make things immediately clear. [/quote] And yet my diocese uses the term Vocation to indicate a call to religious life or the priesthood on their website. When people click on the link, they don't expect to find out information about the 'vocation' of marriage. I think the name of the forum is perfectly understandable to most Catholics as referring to a Vocation to religious life or the priesthood. The fact that we have discussed marriage on here and know that married life can be considered a vocation, doesn't make the name of the forum incorrect. In fact, it supports dUSt's decision because he is using the term 'Vocation' to mean what the Church means when it puts a link on a website for 'Vocations'.
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