Leaving The Motherhouse

[chasmi]

BRAVO Sr. Marie!!! As I have said in other threads, your maturity is very much needed among this, seemingly (at times), immature website following. God Bless You Sister...

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Sister Marie' timestamp='1335306305' post='2422888']
You are right... all of us have different experiences. The question is, can you accept others experiences as easily as you expect your own to be accepted? What do you think caused those sisters to be so hardened? Could it be that a bishop didn't like their general superior? or their foundress? and so he banished her from her sisters (which is what happened in my community's EXPERIENCE)? Could it be that a priest raped the little boys those sisters were teaching? Could it be that they told and a bishop shut them up? Could it be that they were treated like dirt by their superiors; called names, wrongfully accused of indiscretions? Could it be that they were well educated and treated like stupid children? I'm sorry was all of that too unpleasant, too messy, too uncomfortable? It's unpleasant because it is the truth of what some sisters have lived through. It's unpleasant because it's not right. I wish things were as neat and clean and black and white as you want them to be - it would make right and wrong so easy to discern.
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...none of these are reasons to be disobedient to the Magisterium of the Church or be dissident in Church teachings...

[Nunsense]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1335540724' post='2423938']
...none of these are reasons to be disobedient to the Magisterium of the Church or be dissident in Church teachings...
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Absolutely correct DS, but nowhere in Sr Marie's post did I see any such intimation. In fact, she has shown only an amazing amount of charity in all of her posts on phatmass and is a great example for all of us of someone who is faithful without being judgmental of others. I have very grave concerns myself about the leadership of the LCWR but I never want to judge one community or one sister on their faithfulness simply because their congregation is a member of the LCWR. And the OP of this thread was not about the LCWR - it was about the loss of a dearly beloved motherhouse and the pain that is inflicting on those who have to leave.

Things with the LCWR will no doubt change (hopefully for the better) over time as Archbishop Sartain does his work, but I can foresee much pain over this issue for everyone, many hostilities and many being hurt. We can all benefit from Sr Marie's example in treating each other and all others with charity while the drama unfolds. Christ will be looking for every lost lamb during the process.

[Lil'Monster]

I think this post needs some humor


like my face for instance............


or this:









edit: cuz i forgot one dang word...I forgot think...and I forgot to think as well

Edited April 30, 2012 by Lil'Monster

[EJames2]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axVOA96tWOA[/media]

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and some relevent thoughts from Fr. John [i]Zuhlsdorf and folks....[/i]
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/tweeting-for-the-magisterium-of-nuns/
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http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/an-examination-of-themes-of-keynote-speeches-delivered-at-lcwr-assemblies/
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http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/nuns-gone-wild-a-trip-down-memory-lane/
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http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/wapo-politics-writer-on-the-sspx-lcwr-cdf-usccb-reading-this-may-make-you-a-little-stupider/
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http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/lcwr-having-a-bad-day-vatican-names-archbishop-delegate-continue-watching-lcwr-and-network/
PAX

Edited May 1, 2012 by EJames2

[she_who_is_not]

[quote name='EJames2' timestamp='1335881618' post='2425628']
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axVOA96tWOA[/media]

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PAX
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That man is ridiculous and dangerous.

[beatitude]

[quote name='she_who_is_not' timestamp='1335882534' post='2425632']
That man is ridiculous and dangerous.
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At first I thought it was a comedy clip.

I agree with you.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='she_who_is_not' timestamp='1335882534' post='2425632']
That man is ridiculous and dangerous.
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and frank in his opinions and honest about where he sees the Church today. There are wonderful, holy, God -fearing saints- in -the making sisters/nuns out there, they are simply not extremely visible.

[EmilyAnn]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1335889970' post='2425657']
and frank in his opinions and honest about where he sees the Church today. There are wonderful, holy, God -fearing saints- in -the making sisters/nuns out there, they are simply not extremely visible.
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But the problem with what he says is that he acts as if there are no good and holy nuns/sisters left, which is quite frankly an insult to those good sisters. There are those who are no longer loyal to the teachings of the Church, yes, but there are also a very many who are.
And it's clearly no secret where he lies on the whole 'habit-no habit' issue, and I think his assumptions on the subject are unfair.

Not to mention there have been doubts about his own obedience to his bishop so he's not really one to talk IMO.

[cmotherofpirl]

He is not talking about ALL religious, but specific dissident women. Is he over the top? Yes. Is he making good points? absolutely. I was taught by and have met some of the people to whom he is referring.

[HopefulBride]

I don't disagree with him.

[ACS67]

I agree with him on everything except one point: The "boy/man" haircut bit. I have a boy/man hair cut! I have very short hair! (and so do many Poor Clare cloistered nuns...underneath their veil that is.... )

[LaPetiteSoeur]

"The real ones", and "Heretical old women"
Wow, way to generalize and be disrespectful.

This is what I dislike about this man. Personally, I never feel like I'm talking to "accountants" or "lawyers" when I talk to non-habited sisters.Also, using sarcasm to describe a VOWED RELIGIOUS. A sister is called "Sister" because of her vows.

Now, if we can all let this thread die, I'd be grateful, as the OP that I posted was supposed to let people know and to pray for sisters who are losing their home due to it being too expensive to keep and unwieldy for older sisters to live in. This WAS NOT supposed to be a great argument about religious life and religious sisters.

[ACS67]

As cmotherofpirl stated, Voris is not talking about ALL religious. He is talking about specific "dissident" religious women (and for that matter something should be said about the dissident men religious because there are plenty of them running around as well) . To deny that there are women (and men) reglious who have done great damage to the Catholic Faith is absurd and equally "dangerous."

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='EJames2' timestamp='1335881618' post='2425628']
--
and some relevent thoughts from Fr. John [i]Zuhlsdorf and folks....[/i]
[url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/tweeting-for-the-magisterium-of-nuns/"]http://wdtprs.com/bl...terium-of-nuns/[/url]
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[url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/an-examination-of-themes-of-keynote-speeches-delivered-at-lcwr-assemblies/"]http://wdtprs.com/bl...cwr-assemblies/[/url]
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[url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/nuns-gone-wild-a-trip-down-memory-lane/"]http://wdtprs.com/bl...wn-memory-lane/[/url]
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[url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/wapo-politics-writer-on-the-sspx-lcwr-cdf-usccb-reading-this-may-make-you-a-little-stupider/"]http://wdtprs.com/bl...ittle-stupider/[/url]
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[url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/lcwr-having-a-bad-day-vatican-names-archbishop-delegate-continue-watching-lcwr-and-network/"]http://wdtprs.com/bl...wr-and-network/[/url]
PAX
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I love Fr. Z!!


And I never knew Bishop Sartain, the one who will oversee the LCWR's reform, is brother to Sr. Marian Sartain, O.P. of the Nashies!!!!!

She taught me catechism!!!!!! Love that Sister!!





[size=1]edited to delete Voris' video...i've seen enough of his hair... [/size]

Edited May 1, 2012 by dominicansoul

[Strictlyinkblot]

[quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1335900794' post='2425735']
"The real ones", and "Heretical old women"
Wow, way to generalize and be disrespectful.

This is what I dislike about this man. Personally, I never feel like I'm talking to "accountants" or "lawyers" when I talk to non-habited sisters.Also, using sarcasm to describe a VOWED RELIGIOUS. A sister is called "Sister" because of her vows.

Now, if we can all let this thread die, I'd be grateful, as the OP that I posted was supposed to let people know and to pray for sisters who are losing their home due to it being too expensive to keep and unwieldy for older sisters to live in. This WAS NOT supposed to be a great argument about religious life and religious sisters.
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Agreed. I have to say the the video left a nasty taste in my mouth. Prayers.

[AnneLine]

Definitely left a poor taste in my mouth, too. And in my heart. If I were one of the Sisters that taught him, I'd be in the chapel, crying. But yes, time to let this thread die, I agree...