How Can A Faithful Catholic Be A Democrat?

[havok579257]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336761623' post='2429844']
No i did not. I specifically mention it WAS NOT an R/D thing. I also stated I am neither.

I singled out the Dems because to me they seem more reprehensible as a party than the GOP. GOP smells of elderberries the big one too as far as I am concerned. But I am strongly pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-family, pro-Catholic and it seems to me that the Dems are anti all of that. That is why I framed my thread in this way.

This ain't an either or. There are many many choices other than GOP if you are not a Dem. Your statement is fallacious and smacks of partisanship. Report to the IAABC thread immediately.
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trust me, the last party i would vote for in this day and age is the democratic party. they are for abortion, end of story.

i was simply letting you know why you are getting these responses and will continue to get these responses.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1336763942' post='2429857']
We all know that politicians often say one thing and do another. I personally find it hilarious that Catholics will defend a political party that specifically says it is pro-abortion when the alternate party has anti-abortion as part of it's platform.

Makes perfect Catholic sense to say it's more likely to get a political party to do the [b]opposite[/b] of what it says it wants to do instead of getting the opposing party to [b]actually do [/b]what it says it wants to do regarding the Catholic non-negotiables of abortion, same sex marriage, etc. The dead horse debate of the morality of a Catholic voting for an imperfect candidate to justify voting for Obama who is pro-abortion and pro-same sex marriage is also ridiculous since most Catholics voted for Obama and Democrats. I guess it's just natural for the majority of Catholics to prefer being told what's nicer and 'gooder' then reasoning it out for themselves.
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im not a democrat, i would NEVER vote for Obama and I will not vote democrat. So why was this directed towards me?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1336745563' post='2429760']
stop trying to put Jesus in a box, with either a "D" or an "R" on it.
[/quote]That's a cute lil bumper sticker if I've ever seen one ^_^

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336737907' post='2429733']
So with all that - please please please tell me how in good conscience a faithful, practicing Catholic can be a member of the Democrat Party? (the same argument can likely be said of the Republican Party, but that is another thread for another time)
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Two words - "seamless garment". By expanding "pro-life" to encompass other issues, 'seamless garment" has had the impact (even if it was unintentional) of distracting us from abortion. People now excuse themselves from voting for pro-abortion candidates by saying candidate X may be pro-abortion rights and pro-gay marriage, but he is "pro-working people" (meaning against tax and spending cuts), against restrictions on illegal immigration, against capital punishment, against pollution, etc.

[thessalonian]

"You can "belong" to a party and still not agree with everything they stand for"

Yes, like the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I am sure that will offend some here but I don't see alot of difference. I agree with this statement but 50 million abortions and counting is beyond what this statement can reasonably apply to.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1336745563' post='2429760']
stop trying to put Jesus in a box, with either a "D" or an "R" on it.
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Not being a democrat does not mean you have to be a republican. I am neither though I vote mostly for republicans.

[havok579257]

[quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1336856389' post='2430092']
"You can "belong" to a party and still not agree with everything they stand for"

Yes, like the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I am sure that will offend some here but I don't see alot of difference. I agree with this statement but 50 million abortions and counting is beyond what this statement can reasonably apply to.
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i am not a democra tbut your statement is ridiculous. i guess the repbulican party is also similar to the nazi party because they push for the death penalty and how many INNOCENT people are executed since its been around in america.

plus your statement does nothing to further the debate. its only going to incite anger.

[Papist]

Michigan Democratic Rep. Bart Stupak is pro-life...oh wait...nvm

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1336856389' post='2430092']
"You can "belong" to a party and still not agree with everything they stand for"

Yes, like the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I am sure that will offend some here but I don't see alot of difference. I agree with this statement but 50 million abortions and counting is beyond what this statement can reasonably apply to.
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wat


P.S., even if you're comparing being a pro-life Democrat with being a member of the Nazi party, don't forget that there was a fairly high profile Catholic who was a member of the Nazi youth, obviously proving that to be a member of a party, one must assent to every stance of that party.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1336868277' post='2430111']
how many INNOCENT people are executed since its been around in america.
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Possibly less than have been killed by abortion in a single day.

[Byzantine]

<--- This is grok when he opened this thread. See, he's thinking and wants people to think with him.

<--- This is what happened to him.

<--- This is what I wish I could be for this thread, but

<--- This is the only way I can see this thing getting resolved.

[Groo the Wanderer]

who's grok?

[havok579257]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1336872120' post='2430121']
Possibly less than have been killed by abortion in a single day.
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absolutly true. although just because of that does that make the republican party the moral party? no, both parties tow anti-life lines. democrats are for abortion, which is a great offense against innocent life. although the republicans are not the moral party who is pro life. don't fool yourself into thinking the republican party is pro-life. they are anti abortion, although they are not pro life.

[arfink]

Lol @ Groo's trollbait. Nice one Groo.

Personally I'm debating whether I should even bother voting for one of the various puppets running around when we could just focus on rebuilding the republic and replacing our current mess with a legitimate governing authority.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='arfink' timestamp='1336885980' post='2430167']
Lol @ Groo's trollbait. Nice one Groo.

Personally I'm debating whether I should even bother voting for one of the various puppets running around when we could just focus on rebuilding the republic and replacing our current mess with a legitimate governing authority.
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Because as long as you don't vote, [i]they[/i] stay in power.

[Skinzo]

I think you can certainly be a pro-life Democrat. It's pretty obvious that the platforms are irrelevant and not binding on anyone. Right now I am an independent. At one time I registered as a Democrat, and then later I switched to the Republican party. But on neither occasion did anyone ask me to take an oath to uphold the party platform or even show me a copy. Both parties espouse the "big tent" idea. In short, they want as many members as possible without regard to their views. Unless of course, you are peddling racist stuff, etc. But even then they make no effort to screen anyone up front.

S.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Skinzo

[Byzantine]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1336877995' post='2430141']
who's grok?
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Oops... Possible that my finger slipped and missed the second "o." Or maybe my spellcheck took over.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1336871498' post='2430119']
wat


P.S., even if you're comparing being a pro-life Democrat with being a member of the Nazi party, don't forget that there was a fairly high profile Catholic who was a member of the Nazi youth, obviously proving that to be a member of a party, one must assent to every stance of that party.
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A false comparison since he had no choice in the matter. Every 14 year old HAD to be a member of the Hitler youth. Fact. Further he deserted it like a good Catholic should desert the Democratic party. Further there is a big difference between a 14 year old boy and the courage expected of an adult! Nope I stand by my post.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1336868277' post='2430111']
i am not a democra tbut your statement is ridiculous. i guess the repbulican party is also similar to the nazi party because they push for the death penalty and how many INNOCENT people are executed since its been around in america.

plus your statement does nothing to further the debate. its only going to incite anger.
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Gee I guess spades shouldn't have been called spades in Germany in the 1930's. No Catholic should have condemned him or called him on his atrocities as it would not of furthered the conversation. Just act as if the gas chambers weren't killing every day and have a nice civil discussion about them. Abortion is what it is. As for your claims about the death penalty there is room for disagreement on that one in the Church. The Church does recognize the right of governments to keep order. There has been no infallible statement that has come out concerning implementation of the death penalty. I personally am in agreement with JPII that it is not needed in most modern societies but do not quible with Catholics who think it is still needed. You really shouldn't speak for Catholicism if you don't understand it.

Abortion mills are killing every day. MILLIONS!! People are not being executed nearly as often. Further the executions are not of the innocent. It is really apples and oranges.

Edited May 13, 2012 by thessalonian

[cmotherofpirl]

4000 babies a day are executed in the US.