IcePrincessKRS Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='the171' timestamp='1338410616' post='2438065'] The fact that the mods put up with our POOP!!!!!! everyday should lead to their immediate canonization. [/quote] You're a sweetheart.
MissScripture Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='the171' timestamp='1338410616' post='2438065'] The fact that the mods put up with our POOP!!!!!! everyday should lead to their immediate canonization. [/quote]
Ash Wednesday Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) I've wanted no part of the actual debate here, but I will say in Europe and other places in the world, people don't really sexualize (or on the flip side, condemn) the body the same way Americans do. But unfortunately, porn ruins a lot for everyone nowadays. It destroys any healthy balance people are able to have about the human form. It saddens me that it renders a lot of good people unable to appreciate things that happen to have some nudity, like classical art. It worries me that porn will render more and more people unable to appreciate things the way they were meant to be appreciated as time goes on and porn grows in abundance. Edited May 30, 2012 by Ash Wednesday
PhuturePriest Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Most moderators would've banned me when I first got here. However, thankfully, they instead whipped me into shape and would, from time to time, tell me I was being a tool when I needed it. I second the171 with the canonization theory.
MIKolbe Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='the171' timestamp='1338410616' post='2438065'] The fact that the mods put up with our POOP!!!!!! everyday should lead to their immediate canonization. [/quote] I do it for the fame and power... don't get it twisted.
Winchester Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='the171' timestamp='1338410616' post='2438065'] The fact that the mods put up with our POOP!!!!!! everyday should lead to their immediate canonization. [/quote] Pandering. Vomit.
Lil Red Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1338410967' post='2438074'] Pandering. Vomit. [/quote] you're just upset because she didn't say "Winchester's the bestest!"
franciscanheart Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='TheoGrad07' timestamp='1338341010' post='2437539'] I've seen college dorms where VS catalogue models are pasted up like porn ... That being said, though -- VS does make some pretty great stuff , and amesome PJs! I'm glad my hubby's willing to endure the looks, etc., of going to VS in order to get their super-comfy flannel pjs for me. [size=2]**oops ... spelling error![/size] [/quote] Sorry I missed this, lady! I definitely don't deny that those models get pasted up, and I understand (without a doubt, I do) why. I may not always agree with how they market their things (you know they market towards men to up their sales since women only see the models and think, "That *****!"), but I agree with how the make them! (Please see the humor in my response. Please. I'm begging.)
PhuturePriest Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1338412402' post='2438108'] Sorry I missed this, lady! I definitely don't deny that those models get pasted up, and I understand (without a doubt, I do) why. I may not always agree with how they market their things (you know they market towards men to up their sales since women only see the models and think, "That *****!"), but I agree with how the make them! (Please see the humor in my response. Please. I'm begging.) [/quote] I deny your plea and see no humor here.
cmotherofpirl Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' timestamp='1338410775' post='2438070'] I've wanted no part of the actual debate here, but I will say in Europe and other places in the world, people don't really sexualize (or on the flip side, condemn) the body the same way Americans do. But unfortunately, porn ruins a lot for everyone nowadays. It destroys any healthy balance people are able to have about the human form. It saddens me that it renders a lot of good people unable to appreciate things that happen to have some nudity, like classical art. It worries me that porn will render more and more people unable to appreciate things the way they were meant to be appreciated as time goes on and porn grows in abundance. [/quote] the Vatican agrees with you: [url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1028888/Vatican-plea-uncover-Virgin-Mary-breast-feeding-baby-Jesus.html"]http://www.dailymail...baby-Jesus.html[/url] Facebook will suspend your account for posting pics like this
qfnol31 Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 La Virgen de la Leche? In all fairness, the Renaissance did incorporate some ideas of sexuality into their paintings. and modernism. and Greek/Roman art. And I just don't like Renaissance art. It killed a perfectly good genre.
cmotherofpirl Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 No actually Mary nursing baby Jesus was common until the Protestant Deformation.
qfnol31 Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1338414773' post='2438124'] No actually Mary nursing baby Jesus was common until the Protestant Deformation. [/quote]La Virgen de la Leche is a famous example of this: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_onB-4lmtWgk/SqPBHZAIfnI/AAAAAAAAIPY/8Ta0UBfG6Ww/s400/La+Virgen+de+la+leche.jpg[/img] I still think that the Renaissance is full of modernist tendencies, but that's really not about sexuality. I just like to complain about it.
qfnol31 Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Here's a good icon: [img]http://www.therussianshop.com/russhop/icons/mgalctt.jpg[/img] Edited May 30, 2012 by qfnol31
franciscanheart Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1338415417' post='2438129'] Here's a good icon: [img]http://www.therussianshop.com/russhop/icons/mgalctt.jpg[/img] [/quote] It looks misplaced and a little like a rocket ship.
PhuturePriest Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 I agree with all of you. I wish I myself could appreciate this art, but American-ism has gotten me and I just can't appreciate it the way I should. I think one of the worst things to come out of America is just how much more sexualized things are. We can't even appreciate beautiful Roman and Greek art because of it. I blame pornography for warping our opinions. Oh, and The Man. I'm not sure what The Man has done in terms of ruining art, but it seems to be a popular thing to do, so what the heck.
Vincent Vega Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338416378' post='2438134'] I agree with all of you. I wish I myself could appreciate this art, but American-ism has gotten me and I just can't appreciate it the way I should. I think one of the worst things to come out of America is just how much more sexualized things are. We can't even appreciate beautiful Roman and Greek art because of it. I blame pornography for warping our opinions. [/quote] Blame the Puritans instead.
TheoGrad07 Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 [quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1338415417' post='2438129'] Here's a good icon: [img]http://www.therussianshop.com/russhop/icons/mgalctt.jpg[/img] [/quote] "Good" ... ? My first thought was "terrible nursing position and he has an awful latch!" I do think we over-sexualize the body, but I'm also fully aware of the inclination toward excessive sexuality among young teens. I teach HS freshmen & sophomores ... as a religion teacher I get lots of questions (some of which the kids are too embarrassed to ask so I get notes secretly passed to me!). I try to encourage my students to ask me ANYTHING -- at least then they'll hear something other than main-stream media / culture representations of sexuality. But the things they must be doing / being exposed to in order to ask these questions ... sometimes it's hard to be hopeful for their virtue ... the comments they make and the things they ask ... we should do anything in our power to encourage them to respect sexuality! I absolutely do not think it's [i]prudent[/i] for teenage girls to run around in shorts & sports bras when the guys are practicing on the same field / potentially watching. Our goal should be to minimize the occasion for sin, right? I mean, we're somewhat responsible if we knowingly cause another to sin, right? Well, I'm POSITIVE that my teenage students are inclined to impure thoughts by such sights (& the male equivalent ...). Nor would I think it prudent for me to go running in just shorts & a sports bra, for the same reason. Does this mean I advocate turtle-neck, long-sleeve, ankle-length baggy dresses? Absolutely not! I like VS "intimates" -- I don't think there's anything wrong with embracing and enhancing the beauty of our God-given bodies. "Frumpy" does not equal "modest" (for those of you who know my husband, it may surprise you to hear he does NOT like "frumpy" -- he teases me about being frumpy when I wear my comfy-but-frumpy outfits). There's a big difference between "frumpy" and "modest" ... the argument is about what falls into each category! I'm inclined to err on the side of my neckline being a bit too high rather than a bit too low, my hems being a bit too long rather than a bit too short, and my pantaloons being a bit too loose rather than a bit too tight. Does this mean I don't want shapely clothes that accent the right curves? Not at all -- although at this point there aren't many curves to accent other than the watermelon torpedoe-ing from my abdomen!
Norseman82 Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1338407294' post='2437964'] that's it.. when I get home, i am putting the g-string on and posting pics here... [/quote] To which my reaction will be: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGnKi__cA8[/media] [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?&app=forums&module=extras§ion=legends#"][color="#272727"][/color][/url] Edited May 30, 2012 by Norseman82
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