Chick-fil-a Issue Thing

[Socrates]

[quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1343262105' post='2458874']
Well, what if it was the other way around? What if the place was donating to pro-Gay marriage groups, or worse yet, Planned Parenthood?


We would be all "up in arms" about it too, so the reaction by the secular world doesn't surprise me.



**Just playing Devils advocate here though! I totally agree with Marie-Therese and Lil Red**
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The big problem, as I see it isn't that so-called "gay rights" and other private groups and such are organizing boycotts.
While obviously, I'm 100% against the reasons for this particular boycott, I have absolutely no problem with boycotts in principle. In a free society and free market, consumers are free to choose to do business with or avoid business with whatever companies they want for whatever reason.
If gays, liberals, and other degenerates want to boycott Chick-fil-A, that's their own problem.
I'll simply increase my resolve to follow the advice of those goofy cows and "Eat mor chiken"! Yum!


The big issue is that the mayors of Boston and Chicago blocking Chick-Fil-A from their cities because of the owners' personal religious and moral beliefs and donations to Christian organizations that hold these religious and moral beliefs. That's anti-Christian bigotry pure and simple by public officials. If mayors of cities were to similarly block businesses from their cities because of their owner's devout Muslim beliefs, the reaction from the bleedin' hearts would be entirely different.

Anyhow, kudos for the Chick-fil-A folks for taking an unapologetically Christian public stance and not backing down to political correctness.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Socrates

[Socrates]

[quote name='Hubertus' timestamp='1343314359' post='2459010']
I'm not sure why more liberals aren't appalled by this. Imagine if a conservative mayor had said, "I won't allow Starbucks to set up shop here because of their position on gay marriage." Either situation is obviously un-American.
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Modern "liberalism" has nothing to do with liberty, but about enforcing a particular politically-correct godless ideology.

[Amppax]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1343341938' post='2459147']

The big issue is that the mayors of Boston and Chicago blocking Chick-Fil-A from their cities because of the owners' personal religious and moral beliefs and donations to Christian organizations that hold these religious and moral beliefs. That's anti-Christian bigotry pure and simple by public officials. If mayors of cities were to similarly block businesses from their cities because of their owner's devout Muslim beliefs, the reaction from the bleedin' hearts would be entirely different.

Anyhow, kudos for the Chick-fil-A folks for taking an unapologetically Christian public stance and not backing down to political correctness.
[/quote]

Just a note, the Mayor of Boston has not said that he would block Chick-Fil-A, at least that's not what his original statement said. His statement was he "urged" CFA to stay out of Boston.

But the Alderman from Chicago (with Rahm Emanuel's support) has stated that he would legally block a new Chick-Fil-A planned in his district. Dumb.

[Lil Red]

The ACLU weighs in http://consumerist.com/2012/07/aclu-to-chicago-just-because-you-dont-agree-with-chick-fil-a-doesnt-mean-you-can-discriminate-against-it.html

[PhuturePriest]

Why is this thread still going on? The truth about beef tasting bad and pointing out chicken's obvious superiority over every other meat has been stated. Not much else can be said.

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1343343780' post='2459153']
Why is this thread still going on? The truth about beef tasting bad and pointing out chicken's obvious superiority over every other meat has been stated. Not much else can be said.
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Because this thread is a microcosm of what is going wrong in America.....namely that the liberal-socialists agenda is to:
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[*]prevent [b]life [/b](support relationships that are not directed naturally towards the production of life while stoking the fire underneath the family structure(liberal feminism) )
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[list]
[*]end [b]liberty [/b]and mandate the open-one-way-mindedness of their modern viewpoint
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[list]
[*]Change the [b]pursuit of happiness [/b] to the government's pursuit of happiness, and not the people's pursuit.
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[missionseeker]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1343343043' post='2459152']
The ACLU weighs in http://consumerist.com/2012/07/aclu-to-chicago-just-because-you-dont-agree-with-chick-fil-a-doesnt-mean-you-can-discriminate-against-it.html
[/quote]

Holy crow. How about that

Edited July 26, 2012 by missionseeker

[kujo]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1343344858' post='2459157']
Because this thread is a microcosm of what is going wrong in America.....namely that the liberal-socialists agenda is to:[list]
[*]prevent [b]life [/b](support relationships that are not directed naturally towards the production of life while stoking the fire underneath the family structure(liberal feminism) )
[/list][list]
[*]end [b]liberty [/b]and mandate the open-one-way-mindedness of their modern viewpoint
[/list][list]
[*]Change the [b]pursuit of happiness [/b] to the government's pursuit of happiness, and not the people's pursuit.
[/list]
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Ah, see here I was thinking we were talking about how stupid this whole non-troversy is.

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1343344858' post='2459157']
Because this thread is a microcosm of what is going wrong in America.....namely that the liberal-socialists agenda is to:[list]
[*]prevent [b]life [/b](support relationships that are not directed naturally towards the production of life while stoking the fire underneath the family structure(liberal feminism) )
[/list][list]
[*]end [b]liberty [/b]and mandate the open-one-way-mindedness of their modern viewpoint
[/list][list]
[*]Change the [b]pursuit of happiness [/b] to the government's pursuit of happiness, and not the people's pursuit.
[/list]
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Sorry, it took me a minute to compose myself before I could respond to this.

Look, despite what "conservatives" will tell you, the world is not made up of some Armageddon-style brawl between God-fearing American patriots and liberal socialists. Let's cast aside, for a moment, the fact that "liberal" and "socialist" are a bit mutually exclusive as philosophies. The fact that gay people are irritated that Chik-Fil-A donates money to lobby causes in opposition to their own cause has nothing to do with conservatism, government, liberalism, socialism, or the price of tea in China. This is not a vast conspiracy of any wing, right or left. What you're looking at is simply humanity. People. That's it.

People want what they want. They tend to dislike and oppose those who like things that counter what they want. That is human nature, plain and simple. To try to boil this up in a pot and call it socialism or blame liberals is just, well, ridiculous. Gay people want to get married. Christians tend to hold the view that this is wrong. Somewhere in the middle is a lovely piece of chicken whose only goal in life is to get eaten. That is as complex as this situation is.

I just roll my eyes at the whole business. There is not a bogeyman under every rock, or a socialist in every boycott, or a Christian in every cow costume. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of I want versus you want.

And then there's the chicken. I want the chicken. 1% of the people are making 99% of us feel bad for wanting an effing sandwich. Mebbe we should occupy something. @@

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Hubertus' timestamp='1343314359' post='2459010']
I'm not sure why more liberals aren't appalled by this. Imagine if a conservative mayor had said, "I won't allow Starbucks to set up shop here because of their position on gay marriage." Either situation is obviously un-American.
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Well, if you get Mother Jones and Eric Zorn opposing these two, you know you're in trouble:

[url="http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/07/fil_a.html"]http://blogs.chicago...2/07/fil_a.html[/url]

[url="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/07/rahm-emanuel-needs-back-chick-fil"]http://www.motherjon...-back-chick-fil[/url]

Besides, there is a chance that this might not stand up in court. With all the financial difficulties that our governments are facing, one would think that General Secretary Rahm and Politburo member Moreno would not be so stupid as to waste money on a fight they can't win. But then again, it is Chicago.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Norseman82

[kujo]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' timestamp='1343349192' post='2459169']
Sorry, it took me a minute to compose myself before I could respond to this.

Look, despite what "conservatives" will tell you, the world is not made up of some Armageddon-style brawl between God-fearing American patriots and liberal socialists. Let's cast aside, for a moment, the fact that "liberal" and "socialist" are a bit mutually exclusive as philosophies. The fact that gay people are irritated that Chik-Fil-A donates money to lobby causes in opposition to their own cause has nothing to do with conservatism, government, liberalism, socialism, or the price of tea in China. This is not a vast conspiracy of any wing, right or left. What you're looking at is simply humanity. People. That's it.

People want what they want. They tend to dislike and oppose those who like things that counter what they want. That is human nature, plain and simple. To try to boil this up in a pot and call it socialism or blame liberals is just, well, ridiculous. Gay people want to get married. Christians tend to hold the view that this is wrong. Somewhere in the middle is a lovely piece of chicken whose only goal in life is to get eaten. That is as complex as this situation is.

I just roll my eyes at the whole business. There is not a bogeyman under every rock, or a socialist in every boycott, or a Christian in every cow costume. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of I want versus you want.

And then there's the chicken. I want the chicken. 1% of the people are making 99% of us feel bad for wanting an effing sandwich. Mebbe we should occupy something. @@
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[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' timestamp='1343349192' post='2459169']
Sorry, it took me a minute to compose myself before I could respond to this.

Look, despite what "conservatives" will tell you, the world is not made up of some Armageddon-style brawl between God-fearing American patriots and liberal socialists. Let's cast aside, for a moment, the fact that "liberal" and "socialist" are a bit mutually exclusive as philosophies. The fact that gay people are irritated that Chik-Fil-A donates money to lobby causes in opposition to their own cause has nothing to do with conservatism, government, liberalism, socialism, or the price of tea in China. This is not a vast conspiracy of any wing, right or left. What you're looking at is simply humanity. People. That's it.

People want what they want. They tend to dislike and oppose those who like things that counter what they want. That is human nature, plain and simple. To try to boil this up in a pot and call it socialism or blame liberals is just, well, ridiculous. Gay people want to get married. Christians tend to hold the view that this is wrong. Somewhere in the middle is a lovely piece of chicken whose only goal in life is to get eaten. That is as complex as this situation is.

I just roll my eyes at the whole business. There is not a bogeyman under every rock, or a socialist in every boycott, or a Christian in every cow costume. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of I want versus you want.

And then there's the chicken. I want the chicken. 1% of the people are making 99% of us feel bad for wanting an effing sandwich. Mebbe we should occupy something. @@
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I fail to see how this debunks my points. You merely humanize this reality that I speak of. This does not change the facts of reality or the points I made.

At the end of the day, this nation is pulled one of two ways. We go to the side of socialist ideology, or we go to conservative ideology. And today, we are being dangerously dragged to the socialist end. Many just want to eat chicken. But this great restaurant we live in, is currently going over a cliff to it's own destruction.


You can claim I am overreacting. However, you can only convince me if you counter-argue against my points......and not just go on about how humanizing the situation somehow makes everything better and fluffy.

[To Jesus Through Mary]

I still want Chik-fil-a, and looked up and found out they have a location on NYU's campus.... guess where I'm going...

Oh and if they want to boycott them, let them boycott. Pass me their waffle fries. Besides I doubt they are going to take down a chain who has the majority of their business in the Bible-belt... they really like waffle fries around those parts.

(And the Kingdom of the World and the Kingdom of God have been at odds since the beginning of time. It didn't start with Obama or the gay-rights movement. Doubt a boycott is going to change that...)

mmmmm waffle fries....

[Anomaly]

[quote name='To Jesus Through Mary' timestamp='1343352036' post='2459184']
Oh and if they want to boycott them, let them boycott. Pass me their waffle fries. Besides I doubt they are going to take down a chain who has the majority of their business in the Bible-belt... they really like waffle fries around those parts.

(And the Kingdom of the World and the Kingdom of God have been at odds since the beginning of time. It didn't start with Obama or the gay-rights movement. Doubt a boycott is going to change that...)

mmmmm waffle fries....
[/quote]thank you for affirming my personal choice and helping me not feel like a despised freak on the fringes of society. For me, Chik-Fil-A is all about the waffle fries. The poultry is meh.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1343352293' post='2459185']
For me, Chik-Fil-A is all about the waffle fries. The poultry is meh.
[/quote]

I disagree - it's all about the Polynesian sauce.