Dust...

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1351759724' post='2501948']
Strictly speaking though, my church was on the other side of the Council of Chalcedon from you, and we are miaphysites. What does that make us if not non-Chalcedonian? I would not be officially permitted to receive communion by the Eastern Orthodox church because of the different sides of Chalcedon (though some priests may differ, as I understand, particularly among some of the Antiochian).
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Not all people who accepted the theology continued to follow the language and symbol of the council. In fact, the next hundred years or so saw a few different approaches that rejected the council while keeping a more open theology. But since the council was eventually established as normative, any Church wanting a different language or more open theology became rejected by the others, even though their theology was essentially the same.

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1351794477' post='2502106']
Not all people who accepted the theology continued to follow the language and symbol of the council. In fact, the next hundred years or so saw a few different approaches that rejected the council while keeping a more open theology. But since the council was eventually established as normative, any Church wanting a different language or more open theology became rejected by the others, even though their theology was essentially the same.
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So you are saying that miaphysite is a more open theology/language than diphysite?

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1351958302' post='2503475']
So you are saying that miaphysite is a more open theology/language than diphysite?
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That was the intention, but normally going back on theology like that has bad repercussions. It was later rejected because physis was determined to be nature, like human nature, and hypostasis was reserved for the person, supposit, individual, or conscious entity. It's hard to translate hypostasis in this context and capture all its meaning.

[BG45]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1351722880' post='2501441']
Yeah! A donor tag. It's the only way I will ever get a tag. By buying one!
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If memory serves, I got jokingly accused of this after getting my CM tag because I had just bought 3 of Phatmass's albums on iTunes the week before.

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1351704255' post='2501221']
Make this happen and I'll vote Romney instead of going third party.
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You read it hear folks... Voote 3rd party!

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351651903' post='2500866']
It's odd that you'd post a picture of [b]Obama's[/b] drone attack victim's to make a point about Romney's assumed policies.
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Did I mention my godfather is very very conservative and was very much a Romney supporter?

[Nunsense]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1351722880' post='2501441']
Yeah! A donor tag. It's the only way I will ever get a tag. By buying one!
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Well you could always convert, become a faithful Catholic and then get a Church Militant tag? Just an idea.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1352354616' post='2506433']
Well you could always convert, become a faithful Catholic and then get a Church Militant tag? Just an idea.
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In all seriousness I am not a traditional Catholic in the sense that there are numerous question marks above some Catholic teachings. Although for me V2 removes many of them and I'm sure many more will be satisfied. But as far as devotion to Jesus through the Catholic Church I consider myself[b] a very devout Catholic. [/b]I hold a master key to the Church buildings and open it and prepare for the mass on Sunday morning and often fill the role of EMHC when required and I have been a member of the RCIA team. My experience at Pm has been that tags and props mainly indicate who has friends. Personally I serve my God out of love and have no need for either tags or props.
My religion says Christian because that is what I am first and foremost. I practice my Christianity through the Catholic denomination.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Mark of the Cross

[Nunsense]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1352412866' post='2506677']
In all seriousness I am not a traditional Catholic in the sense that there are numerous question marks above some Catholic teachings. Although for me V2 removes many of them and I'm sure many more will be satisfied. But as far as devotion to Jesus through the Catholic Church I consider myself[b] a very devout Catholic. [/b]I hold a master key to the Church buildings and open it and prepare for the mass on Sunday morning and often fill the role of EMHC when required and I have been a member of the RCIA team. My experience at Pm has been that tags and props mainly indicate who has friends. Personally I serve my God out of love and have no need for either tags or props.
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Interesting point of view about tags. I was really teasing you but sometimes what we say can touch a sore spot so I apologise if I offended you.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1352413335' post='2506682']
Interesting point of view about tags. I was really teasing you but sometimes what we say can touch a sore spot so I apologise if I offended you.
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No offense taken! I just thought an explanation was appropriate since many people may have the impression that I am not Catholic. Actually I use a tag all the time but take it off when I log into PM. The comment about friends comes from the fact that you need freinds to get a tag. There are many people here that I'm sure deserve them but because they are unknown don't have them. And being very judgemental I suspect that there are many here that have them who maybe should not.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Mark of the Cross

[Nunsense]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1352413820' post='2506688']
No offense taken! I just thought an explanation was appropriate since many people may have the impression that I am not Catholic. Actually I use a tag all the time but take it off when I log into PM. The comment about friends comes from the fact that you need freinds to get a tag. There are many people here that I'm sure deserve them but because they are unknown don't have them. And being very judgemental I suspect that there are many here that have them who maybe should not.
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I don't really understand your point of view about tags because I have a Church Militant tag but I don't really have 'friends' in the sense that I think you mean. I have been on phatmass since 2007 so I probably know a lot of people by name but I have spent most of that time in and out of the convent, and people have come and gone while I was away. But then perhaps I got my tag at a time when CM tags were being handed out rather easily. We seem to go through periods like that. I have had a Religious tag from time to time, but only because I asked for it every time I was entering a convent. I haven't asked this time because it doesn't seem to matter to me now, so I do get your point about tags not really being who you are.

I was one of those who thought that you were Protestant rather than Catholic, but one of the reasons for that is that you list your religion as 'Christian' not 'Catholic'. Growing up I got the impression that Protestants called themselves Christians and Catholics referred to themselves as Catholics but then I'm an agnostic convert to the faith, so what do I know?

Thanks for clearing all that up. I now award you the tag of 'Marvellous Mark' and acknowledge you as my 'friend' (if you will have me)

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1352414826' post='2506699']



Thanks for clearing all that up. I now award you the tag of 'Marvellous Mark' and acknowledge you as my 'friend' (if you will have me)
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I always consider it a great honour when someone especially someone who has given their life to the faith considers me worthy to be added as a friend.
BTW I agree with the scholar tag as it does indicate that at least the person has had some theological training. And those entering or studying should have some kind of tag to indicate their devotion and obedience.

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1352416709' post='2506722']BTW I agree with the scholar tag as it does indicate that at least the person has had some theological training. And those entering or studying should have some kind of tag to indicate their devotion and obedience.
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I recently corrected my long-time Catholic friend on whose sacraments count. I have a meager few courses on theology and just renounced Protestantism. I think I should get a tag.

[Anastasia13]

Bump.

[Apotheoun]

I wrote the following in response to a query about the Miaphysites some years ago, but thought it would fit nicely here:


[quote name='Apotheoun''][quote name='Mateo el Feo']You respond without answering my questions. Here are my questions again: Maybe you could share the first document in which the term "miaphysite" occurs in Coptic literature. Was it before Chalcedon (i.e. 451 AD)? This would also help prove your claim that the Copts rejected Monophysitism before Rome.[/quote]
The term [i]mia physis[/i] was used by St. Cyril of Alexandria in his "Five Tomes Against Nestorius" in A.D. 430 in order to emphasize the reality of the incarnation in opposition to the Nestorian heresy; for, as he put it, after the union there is ". . . one nature of God the Logos incarnate ([i]mia physis tou Theou Logou sesarkomene[/i])" [St. Cyril of Alexandria, "Against Nestorius," I, 1, 6, 33]. Now, the use of this term (i.e., [i]mia physis[/i]) does not involve — as some people mistakenly believe — the idea that divinity and humanity are somehow blended together in Christ; instead, it simply affirms the interpenetration ([i]perichoresis[/i]) of the two natures in the one person ([i]hypostasis[/i]) of the incarnate Logos. To put it another way, St. Cyril held that the Hypostatic Union involves a union of the two natures in a way that affirms their actual inseparability, without confusion or change; while also affirming their proper distinction in contemplation only ([i]tei theoriai monei[/i]).[/quote]
Finally, it is also important to remember that the phrase [i]tei theoriai monei[/i] was used in the Seventh Anathema issued at the Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople II in order to prevent people from applying a Nestorian interpretation to the decree ([i]horos[/i]) issued at the Council of Chalcedon. Thus, Miaphysitism — from an Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic perspective — is perfectly orthodox christologically.


The post I quoted is taken from a colorfully named thread entitled: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/66154-jihad-is-a-much-larger-threat-than-nazism/page__st__100#entry1233738"]Jihad Is A Much Larger Threat Than Nazism[/url]

[i]Postscript: I have made minor changes to my quoted post for the sake of clarity.[/i]

Edited November 26, 2012 by Apotheoun

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Apotheoun' timestamp='1353894565' post='2516594']Thus, Miaphysitism — from an Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic perspective — is perfectly orthodox christologically.[/quote]


Do you mean to imply that I should alter my proposed offers to Dust?

Edited November 26, 2012 by Light and Truth

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1353894939' post='2516603']


Do you mean to imply that I should alter my proposed offers to Dust?
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I mean that Miaphysitism, as long as it keeps to the bounds established by St. Cyril, is perfectly orthodox. As far as your proposal is concerned, you will have to decide what to do about that. :D

[Anastasia13]

:saint2:

[Anastasia13]

:hehe2:

[Anastasia13]

So, Dust, how about a Christmas present for your favorite Oriental Orthodox Phatmasser??? Pretty please with prayers of blessings on top?