dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [media]http://youtu.be/bErhq8gYpp0[/media] [color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][i]“I will not forget that a strong country needs more than a strong economy. It needs strong families and strong values as well... President Obama once said that decisions about abortion are ‘above his pay grade.’ I’ll never be so cavalier about life. I will be a pro-life president... I will reinstate the Mexico City Policy. I’ll cut off funding for the United Nations Population Fund, which supports China’s abhorrent one child policy. I’ll ensure that abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood get no taxpayer dollars. And I’ll reverse Obama regulations that attack our religious freedom and threaten innocent life. I’ll nominate judges who respect the Constitution, are proponents of judicial restraint, and know the difference between personal opinion and law."[/i][/font][/color] Even though Romney is not perfectly in line with the Catholic stance on abortion, he does [b]not[/b] equal Obama. Don't get it twisted.
Jaime Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Romney is for abortion in cases of rape incest and †health†of the mother. at best this is a protestant definition. Do not state things that are contrary to Church teachings
Anomaly Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 .[quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351773222' post='2501971'] Romney is for abortion in cases of rape incest and †health†of the mother. at best this is a protestant definition. Do not state things that are contrary to Church teachings [/quote] jaime, don't you think that has been said 90,000 or 100,000 times already? Obama is supportive of the Democratic Party's efforts to expand and protect free and easy access to Abortion: [b]Protecting A Woman's Right to Choose[/b]. [b]The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade [/b]and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. [b]We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right[/b]. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; [b]there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way[/b]
Jaime Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Romney is not pro life. Staying that he is contradicts Church teachings. End of story
tinytherese Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Dust, what's the point in doing this? We've been debating about this for what feels like a really long time already. I like other posters may be as well, are tired of this. People have already made their points countless times, so why have us go on this merry-go-round again?
Anomaly Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 I do it because I think it's important to in-womb persons who don't have a voice. I'm not dead yet, don't believe in an afterlife, so think I may as well do something useful for the next 25 years I have.
Vincent Vega Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 What you meant to say is: "Romney is less pro-abortion than Obama."
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351773222' post='2501971'] Romney is for abortion in cases of rape incest and †health†of the mother. [/quote] This is a lie.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351780191' post='2502012'] This is a lie. [/quote] Are you intending to ascribe intent, or is this just poor word choice?
Jaime Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351780191' post='2502012'] This is a lie. [/quote] Calling Romney pro life is the lie. I've not stated inaccurate facts
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 It's actually kind of hard to tell: [url="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/another-romney-abortion-flip-flop-no-exceptions-health-mother"]http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/another-romney-abortion-flip-flop-no-exceptions-health-mother[/url] [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/mitt-romney-abortion_n_1834888.html"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/mitt-romney-abortion_n_1834888.html[/url] [url="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/23/gop-grassroots-furious-at-romney-over-akin-abortion-rape-exception.html"]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/23/gop-grassroots-furious-at-romney-over-akin-abortion-rape-exception.html[/url] [url="http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/08/22/romney-supports-total-abortion-ban-no-exceptions-but-fools-media-into-reporting-o"]http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/08/22/romney-supports-total-abortion-ban-no-exceptions-but-fools-media-into-reporting-o[/url] [url="http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/romneys-muddled-abortion-views-what-does-he-stand-for-exactly"]http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/romneys-muddled-abortion-views-what-does-he-stand-for-exactly[/url] [url="http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/09/03/160502626/romney-and-abortion-another-shift-in-the-works"]http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/09/03/160502626/romney-and-abortion-another-shift-in-the-works[/url]
Anomaly Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Instead of bullsh that's just bickering with colorful pictures, give an intelligible response. [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial', 'sans-serif]dUSt,[/font][/color] [color=#222222][font=Arial', 'sans-serif]Romney's policy's and speeches have not be unequivocally against abortion in all instances. His RomneyCare in Mass and other policies have allowed Government funding for abortion and mandated insurance coverage.[/font][/color] [color=#222222][font=Arial', 'sans-serif]Argue whether or not Romney asked for and promoted those things, or if he didn't fight hard enough against others (Democrats??) who wanted those provisions included as part of political compromise.[/font][/color] [color=#222222][font=Arial', 'sans-serif]I would agree with jaime and the other posters that Romney does not meet all standards and requirements to be considered fully compliant with the Catholic standard of being fully pro-life. It's a consideration that has to be made by rational people.[/font][/color] [color=#222222][font=Arial', 'sans-serif]The point is, are Romney's and Republican's acts and policies more or less pro-active than Obama and the Democrats?[/font][/color] [color=#222222][font=Arial', 'sans-serif]As far as a significant minority of people voting for third party helping elect Obama, it depends on which State they are in to qualify if it may help Obama's re-election or not.[/font][/color][/size] Edited November 1, 2012 by Anomaly
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [color=#333333][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][i]"Mitt Romney is pro-life. He believes it speaks well of the country that almost all Americans recognize that abortion is a problem. And in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year cannot be squared with the good heart of America.[/i][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][i]Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view. But while the nation remains so divided, he believes that the right next step is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade – a case of blatant judicial activism that took a decision that should be left to the people and placed it in the hands of unelected judges. With Roe overturned, states will be empowered through the democratic process to determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.[/i][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][i]Mitt supports the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions. As president, he will end federal funding for abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood. He will protect the right of health care workers to follow their conscience in their work. And he will nominate judges who know the difference between personal opinion and the law.[/i][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][i]Because the good heart of America knows no boundaries, a commitment to protecting life should not stop at the water’s edge. Taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens. The compassionate instincts of this country should not be silent in the face of injustices like China’s One-Child policy. No one will ever hear a President Romney or his vice president tell the Chinese government that "I fully understand" and won’t “second guess†compulsory sterilization and forced abortion.[/i][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][i]Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us. As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America’s values of preserving life at home and abroad."[/i][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]That is straight from his website.[/font][/color]
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Words, words, words... Romneycare is action. And Romneycare pays for abortion. Deal with it.
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351780839' post='2502018'] Calling Romney pro life is the lie. I've not stated inaccurate facts [/quote] You have. The "health of the mother" stance is not accurate. That is not his stance. To keep saying it is is a lie, and you know it. [i]"I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to [b]save the life of the mother[/b]. I support the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine." [/i] It is not the perfect Catholic stance, but it is considerably more pro-life than Obama. Stop lying.
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351792014' post='2502075'] Romneycare is action. And Romneycare pays for abortion. Deal with it. [/quote] Deal with the fact that he is no longer the governor of Massachusetts and he is now against Obamacare. #Exit-Fantasy-Land
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1351774818' post='2501981'] Dust, what's the point in doing this? We've been debating about this for what feels like a really long time already. I like other posters may be as well, are tired of this. People have already made their points countless times, so why have us go on this merry-go-round again? [/quote] Because it is important for people to know that Mitt Romney is considerably more pro-life than Obama, and not the same.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351792593' post='2502079'] Deal with the fact that he is no longer the governor of Massachusetts and he is now against Obamacare. #Exit-Fantasy-Land [/quote] That is still action vs. word. Deal with it. You're actually excusing his actions. That's beyond the pale. Edited November 1, 2012 by Winchester
Jaime Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351792442' post='2502077'] You have. The "health of the mother" stance is not accurate. That is not his stance. To keep saying it is is a lie, and you know it. [i]"I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to [b]save the life of the mother[/b]. I support the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine." [/i] It is not the perfect Catholic stance, but it is considerably more pro-life than Obama. Stop lying. [/quote] By your own quote, you label him pro choice. Stop calling me a liar. you are going with a protestant definition on your own Catholic site. Be Catholic and speak the truth
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