Aloysius Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351799027' post='2502134'] OK, so we are clear. He did not mean to say that. He meant to say this, oh wait, he [b]did[/b] say this: [i]"I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. I support the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine."[/i] ​Seriously folks, your arguments would be more compelling if you did not resort to fun with wordplay and actually used legitimate stances. As it is, you are just coming off as disgruntled people with hidden agendas. [/quote] It's not fun with wordplay, it's Romney suddenly coming out and sounding consistent with his decades long record that he had been trying so hard to convince people that he didn't really believe. Seriously, if Santorum were still in the race when Romney had said that, I'd be dollars to donuts you and all the current pro-life Romney supporters would be all up in Romney's face about it. There is every reason to be distrustful of Mitt Romney, both in his decades of statements and in his back and forth wavering words even over the course of this very election cycle. Blindly following the things politicians officially put out on websites (after running it by a million focus groups) and state in their carefully worded speeches is like believing that the guy running for class president in high school is going to get vending machines in every classroom and Fridays off for long weekends. You have to be discerning when you look at what politicians say; you have to analyze it based on their record, and when they're saying that they've changed their mind on something you have to pay close attention for anything that indicates that they don't really mean it. His inclusion of "health" in that statement along with his assurances that Roe is settled law and that he doesn't foresee any abortion related legislation being part of his agenda is a HUGE indication that he doesn't really mean it. That doesn't mean don't vote for him if you think it's right, but be real about where he actually is. Don't just buy into the propaganda wholesale without critically analyzing it
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351801117' post='2502153'] Don't just buy into the propaganda wholesale without critically analyzing it [/quote] Exactly.
Jaime Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351795675' post='2502111'] To say Romney is "pro-choice" is simply dishonest rhetoric. In the popular sense of the word, Romney is pro-life. He is endorsed by the National Right to Life Committee. Stop trying to mislead people. [/quote] The popular sense of the word is not the Catholic sense of the word. i thought we were supposed to be following a higher teaching around these parts. Saying Romney is pro-life is like saying going to a Lutheran communion service is "close enough" to mass Who's the guy who's misleading people? I'm not going to change terminology to fit a culture. I prefer to define things the way the Church calls us to. Good luck finding any priest or bishop who will state that allowing abortion with regards to rape, incest or mother is a pro-life Catholic stance. The title of this thread is a lie
Aloysius Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351802599' post='2502163'] Exactly. [/quote] Exactly.
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351803132' post='2502164'] The title of this thread is a lie [/quote] Your lies are lies.
Anomaly Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1351801009' post='2502151'] I'm just going to vote for the Pope and be done with it. [/quote]whats his economic plan and stance regarding trade with Latin America and investing in ports in the west coast if Florida?
missionseeker Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351793546' post='2502090'] You deny that it is possible for someone to become pro-life after they were pro-choice? That's insane. #Exit-Fantasy-Land [/quote] Yes. But when someone says they've changed, we generally reserve judgment until we see evidence of it. In Romney's case, there really isn't any. Yet. Hey, who knows, maybe he'll step up. That said, pro-life is encompassing of ALL life. Contraceptives, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, IVF, using methods of warfare that kill innocent people, torture, even sometimes capital punishment- besides abortion are all pro-life issues. These are things that we should measure when considering a candidate that claims to be prolife. What is the person's record on that stuff? Yes, abortion is a BIG part of being prolife. But it's not the only part.
add Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) [quote name='add' timestamp='1351815826' post='2502380'] Roe vs. Wade has been the law of the land for 39 years no one can change that despicable fact of life and death. Your comrade Obama has upped the anti by requiring that catholic institutions provide birth control , abortion pills and is infringing on Christian morals. Romney isn't perfect, but I will take him any day of the week over the alternative. Obama is on record that abortion must be available even for his own daughters if they make a mistake by becoming pregnant. A man willing to advocate terminating his own grandchild in order to get elected is , in my option troubling and disgraceful... [/quote] [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351803132' post='2502164'] The popular sense of the word is not the Catholic sense of the word. i thought we were supposed to be following a higher teaching around these parts. Saying Romney is pro-life is like saying going to a Lutheran communion service is "close enough" to mass Who's the guy who's misleading people? I'm not going to change terminology to fit a culture. I prefer to define things the way the Church calls us to. Good luck finding any priest or bishop who will state that allowing abortion with regards to rape, incest or mother is a pro-life Catholic stance. The title of this thread is a lie [/quote] Roe vs. Wade has been the law of the land for 39 years no one can change that despicable fact of life and death. Your comrade Obama has upped the anti by requiring that catholic institutions provide birth control , abortion pills and is infringing on Christian morals. Romney isn't perfect, but I will take him any day of the week over the alternative. Obama is on record that abortion must be available even for his own daughters if they make a mistake by becoming pregnant. A man willing to advocate terminating his own grandchild in order to get elected is , in my option troubling. Edited November 2, 2012 by add
Winchester Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1351815826' post='2502380'] Roe vs. Wade has been the law of the land for 39 years no one can change that despicable fact of life and death. Your comrade Obama has upped the anti by requiring that catholic institutions provide birth control , abortion pills and is infringing on Christian morals. Romney isn't perfect, but I will take him any day of the week over the alternative. Obama is on record that abortion must be available even for his own daughters if they make a mistake by becoming pregnant. A man willing to advocate terminating his own grandchild in order to get elected is , in my option troubling. [/quote] Roe V Wade is an overreach of Federal power. Missing Jaime supporting Obama.
Jaime Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1351815826' post='2502380'] Roe vs. Wade has been the law of the land for 39 years no one can change that despicable fact of life and death. Your comrade Obama has upped the anti by requiring that catholic institutions provide birth control , abortion pills and is infringing on Christian morals. Romney isn't perfect, but I will take him any day of the week over the alternative. Obama is on record that abortion must be available even for his own daughters if they make a mistake by becoming pregnant. A man willing to advocate terminating his own grandchild in order to get elected is , in my option troubling. [/quote] [mod]Profanity. -dUSt[/mod] What kind of bean sprouts for brains allows you to think that my post in any way promotes Obama?
add Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351815959' post='2502383'] No [i][color=#ff0000]poo[/color][/i] Sherlock What kind of bean sprouts for brains allows you to think that my post in any way promotes Obama? [/quote] Just saying. Read into it what you will
Jaime Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1351816363' post='2502392'] Just saying. Read into it what you will [/quote] Read into it what I will? You called him "my" comrade. That's not reading into things. It's what you said.
Winchester Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='jaime' timestamp='1351817199' post='2502409'] Read into it what I will? You called him "my" comrade. That's not reading into things. It's what you said. [/quote] Funny how idiotic accusations never get backed up, ain't it?
Jaime Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351820023' post='2502455'] Funny how idiotic accusations never get backed up, ain't it? [/quote] Easy for you to say mr Allah akbar muslim!!
dUSt Posted November 2, 2012 Author Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1351814459' post='2502367'] Yes. But when someone says they've changed, we generally reserve judgment until we see evidence of it. In Romney's case, there really isn't any. Yet. Hey, who knows, maybe he'll step up. [/quote] Let's see. He's had to make one major decision so far in regards to his potential presidency, his VP selection... and he picked a staunchly pro-life Catholic. That is "evidence" to me. [quote]That said, pro-life is encompassing of ALL life. Contraceptives, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, IVF, using methods of warfare that kill innocent people, torture, even sometimes capital punishment- besides abortion are all pro-life issues. These are things that we should measure when considering a candidate that claims to be prolife. What is the person's record on that stuff? Yes, abortion is a BIG part of being prolife. But it's not the only part. [/quote] This is true, but is also the same argument made by Catholics who vote Obama.
missionseeker Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351820833' post='2502472'] Let's see. He's had to make one major decision so far in regards to his potential presidency, his VP selection... and he picked a staunchly pro-life Catholic. That is "evidence" to me. This is true, but is also the same argument made by Catholics who vote Obama. [/quote] But Paul Ryan has since caved to the party. He's now spouting the "except in cases of rape, etc" And maybe that's one of those times where he thinks he can bring more good out of compromising, I don't know. And I'm not sure what you mean by the last.
dUSt Posted November 2, 2012 Author Posted November 2, 2012 [quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1351821063' post='2502481'] But Paul Ryan has since caved to the party. He's now spouting the "except in cases of rape, etc" And maybe that's one of those times where he thinks he can bring more good out of compromising, I don't know. [/quote] Ryan is not changing his views. He is running on a ticket where that is the platform.
southern california guy Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) [mod]Public criticism of admin. -dUSt[/mod] Edited November 2, 2012 by dUSt
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